SE, what is the vision and identity of Scholars?

[BloodPact]

That is literally AST. . .

They do both things, shield and regen.

Not true, AST does shields OR regens. Scholar does shields AND regens. That's the reason why AST shields more. If under Nocturnal the potencies were the same then where is the extra healing that the pet provides coming from? Whether one thinks this is fair or that it steals Scholar's identity is another topic. For the purpose of healing balance, AST shields need to output more than SCH's. HEALING BALANCE. No need to bring up the cards and support abilities (though for the record, I think The Balance should be toned down to something like 13% ST, 7% AOE).

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It's precisely why I think Emergency Tactics needs to become a toggle buff rather than a one-time cast buff for SCH to really come into its own. SCH already does both shield healing and passive healing, let us do that better at the cost of not having as strong a healing potential. While SCHs have been known as the mitigation healer, AST came in and did that better (after several buffs but whatever). What they don't do better is how flexible they are at their healing. They're stuck as one or the other. SCH doesn't have that same restriction.

[LegoTechnic]

Not true, AST does shields OR regens. Scholar does shields AND regens. That's the reason why AST shields more. If under Nocturnal the potencies were the same then where is the extra healing that the pet provides coming from? Whether one thinks this is fair or that it steals Scholar's identity is another topic. For the purpose of healing balance, AST shields need to output more than SCH's. HEALING BALANCE. No need to bring up the cards and support abilities (though for the record, I think The Balance should be toned down to something like 13% ST, 7% AOE).

The problem with this statement is that Noct AST is also able to heal for more as well as having greater shields as they still retain access to Benefic II and Helios, and have generally higher potencies across the board outside of aspected benefic (stronger shield, weaker heal). Furthermore SCHs use Eos at the cost of excluding Selene and her damage buff, so they have to make the decision on whether to bring a somewhat passive minor-haste with 50% uptime or the three healing abilities of Eos. The fairy is the equivalent of the AST card mechanic with different effects but stronger reliability, just instead of a Balance or MP/TP refresh effect they have an HP regen. Otherwise they have a variant arrow with Selene, or a variant magic-only Bole with Eos, as well as the class's half-potent version of Divine Seal I guess to make the spear card feel bad.

An interesting parallel to note is that ASTs have six cards with six unique effects, and each fairy has 3 unique abilities for 6 total, only 3 of which are available at a time and all with cooldowns ranging from 1 to 2 minutes. The embrace mechanic in general is there to offset SCH's complete lack of a spammable greater heal. There is a balance in comparing the AST and SCH class design, and both take different paths to reach separate but similar distinctions of utility.

[Tashim]

Not true, AST does shields OR regens. Scholar does shields AND regens. That's the reason why AST shields more. If under Nocturnal the potencies were the same then where is the extra healing that the pet provides coming from? Whether one thinks this is fair or that it steals Scholar's identity is another topic. For the purpose of healing balance, AST shields need to output more than SCH's. HEALING BALANCE. No need to bring up the cards and support abilities (though for the record, I think The Balance should be toned down to something like 13% ST, 7% AOE).

Noct Astro does have a regen, its just on a 2 minute cooldown.
That pretty bubble... yeah, it does more than mitigate. It also applies Wheel of Fortune, which is a 172 potency regen for nocturnal sect astro, that lasts 15-40s (depending on channeling time and optionally extending it with celestial opposition). It heals for 50% more than Eos' whispering dawn does, and that's if you use fey illumination along with rouse first. It does have twice the cooldown of Whispering Dawn, but typically heals for more overall.

[BloodPact]

Noct Astro does have a regen, its just on a 2 minute cooldown.
That pretty bubble... yeah, it does more than mitigate. It also applies Wheel of Fortune, which is a 172 potency regen for nocturnal sect astro, that lasts 15-40s (depending on channeling time and optionally extending it with celestial opposition). It heals for 50% more than Eos' whispering dawn does, and that's if you use fey illumination along with rouse first. It does have twice the cooldown of Whispering Dawn, but typically heals for more overall.

So you're telling me that Nocturnal Astrologian "has" HoTs because they have an ability that they can use every 2 minutes, that they need to channel, is tied to the server tick to apply (so in many cases the HoT isn't applied instantly upon use and we need to wait for it to stick) and is centered around the caster, so you need to run up to the melee (tank), channel it, then run back? You're grasping at straws.

I use this all the time in large pulls in dungeons paired with Celestial Opposition to have more uptime spamming Gravity. But if you think this is a viable way to HoT in Nocturnal you're deluding yourself.

[Riyshn]

So you're telling me that Nocturnal Astrologian "has" HoTs because they have an ability that they can use every 2 minutes, that they need to channel, is tied to the server tick to apply (so in many cases the HoT isn't applied instantly upon use and we need to wait for it to stick) and is centered around the caster, so you need to run up to the melee (tank), channel it, then run back? You're grasping at straws.

I use this all the time in large pulls in dungeons paired with Celestial Opposition to have more uptime spamming Gravity. But if you think this is a viable way to HoT in Nocturnal you're deluding yourself.

...why would you run back out? Why are you not already in melee range on the boss's butt to autoattack?

Most of the same things can be said about the SCH's "regens", too. Whispering Dawn is only up once a minute, and both it and Embrace (as well as all the other fairy skills) are held by the Pet AI, which is well known for doing what it wants when it wants, no matter what you try to tell it.

[BloodPact]

...why would you run back out? Why are you not already in melee range on the boss's butt to autoattack?

And here I was thinking the poster above was the one grasping at straws.

Most of the same things can be said about the SCH's "regens", too. Whispering Dawn is only up once a minute, and both it and Embrace (as well as all the other fairy skills) are held by the Pet AI, which is well known for doing what it wants when it wants, no matter what you try to tell it.

None of what I said about Collective Unconscious is applicable to Scholar. If you had to place the pet in basically melee range of the tank for it to heal him with Embrace or Whispering Dawn then it would be a different story. Something you can use as a similarity is your new lv70 ability, and oh, look at that, the range is getting increased on Tuesday (because it was trash); and that is just the pet moving, not the player. If you have problems with your pet AI/responsiveness then that is a whole different topic.

[Riyshn]

And here I was thinking the poster above was the one grasping at straws.



None of what I said about Collective Unconscious is applicable to Scholar. If you had to place the pet in basically melee range of the tank for it to heal him with Embrace or Whispering Dawn then it would be a different story. Something you can use as a similarity is your new lv70 ability, and oh, look at that, the range is getting increased on Tuesday (because it was trash); and that is just the pet moving, not the player. If you have problems with your pet AI/responsiveness then that is a whole different topic.

No, seriously, why aren't you in melee range for the autoattacks? I have never understood why more healers/casters don't do this. It is literally free damage, and many AoEs actually take less movement to dodge at that range.

And it... does, actually. Not the range thing so much, true. But it's our only regen and it's locked behind a CD, and the pet delay is similar and in fact usually worse than the delay before Wheel of Fortune applies.