Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Iris_Lokspuhr]

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That sounds great and all, except pre-healing is still hit-or-miss when it comes to lily generation. If you have a poor internet connection (like me), pre-healing will almost never grant a lily because the server still thinks I've healed someone at full health, which in turn makes DB a non-reliable spell. And I bring up cast time because others claim 'It's a free cast ability, how is it useless', when in truth it isn't since you'd need to cast Cure II to guarantee it being available to use.

It just feels like a wasted spell as it is currently. I'd be happier if it only used one lily regardless of how many you have, or shield potency scaled off of lilies. But until then it's just something I'll use if I've got nothing else to use my lilies on.

[Saraphin]

I'm wanting to be hopeful about the supposed changes, but...i'm waiting on the patch notes to know for sure if it's going to be good. Though, let's be honest...there's any bit of minor changes that would make PI better.....

and plenty of suggestions as to what would improve WHM in this thread alone.

[VanilleFang]

That sounds great and all, except pre-healing is still hit-or-miss when it comes to lily generation. If you have a poor internet connection (like me), pre-healing will almost never grant a lily because the server still thinks I've healed someone at full health, which in turn makes DB a non-reliable spell.

Saying all this would mean that using NIN if you have a bad connection is "unreliable" and "bad". Yes, just like NIN, it's not as GOOD but it's still usable. You have to learn to work with your connection. I had a really bad connection for like 6 years and I learned to deal with it.

[Rivxkobe]

pre-healing will almost never grant a lily because the server still thinks I've healed someone at full health, which in turn makes DB a non-reliable spell.

This... this literally makes no sense and is not how it would work at all.
Lets say you have a poor connection that gives you a lag of 1 second and I do not.

If I pre-cast Cure II on a tank and it goes off just after they take damage I will get a lily.

How, if you have a 1 second delay due to poor connection, if you start casting at the same time I did in my fight cause the server to think you healed a full-health target? IF, somehow you have an internet connection that is so bad that it somehow causes you to overheal all the time when you pre-cast healing then you should probably either: a. switch servers or b. stop healing because this is a big, BIG deal for healers.

This sounds more like you are pre-casting too early or are coming up with some excuse to make it seem worse than it is. Divine Benison is free, it doesn't matter if you have to cast Cure II before han. If anything it just makes Cure II stronger than it already is.

[Iris_Lokspuhr]

This... this literally makes no sense and is not how it would work at all.

It makes perfect sense, and is the same reason people still get hit by AoEs despite being clearly out of them on your screen or theirs. So yes it's a problem when Lily generation is based solely on whether or not the target has full HP when the heal hits your target, because even if the heal hits after they have lost health the system still has to confirm it. And if it's in any way slow, and there's not much I can do about that because every data center is an equal distance from my location, your chances of lilies generating is no longer 100%.

And having to cast Cure II to even use Divine Benison makes that argument invalid. It's no longer free if I have to overheal just to use it, regardless of how you word it.

[Heliosfiend]

I main WHM, and running with these new skills are quite disappointing.. if only those lilies are consumed just like Aether Flow stacks and not blow them away in an instant with assize or tetragrammaton, make all heals or anything whm do build lilies. Also the fluid aura.. dear god.. why would they remove the damage.. it's part of the rotation poking boss or monsters with water with damage is fun. also the divine benison, what the hell is that it consumes all lilies, they could've somehow make it a group buff instead of a solo buff..

Wish we have unique skills other healers are so fancy and shinny as Mr.T's Bling.

MAKE WHM GREAT AGAIN!

[LathusWHM]

SE, pleaaase fix the lily system.

Because by now I have seen an ungodly amount of (other) WHMs pretty much switching their play style from "use AoE heals as needed" to fishing for confessions/lillies with cure 2s, and there were plenty of wipes because of that.

If you design a mechanic all around an action that should ACTUALLY be used only occasionally (a single player needs a major heal with cure 2) you send the wrong message to obviously quite a few players, and this causes BAD playing and -- since we are talking healers here -- wipes.

Sorry but this is a ridiculous post.

Lillies are in no way PERFECT, we all know that. However, they are manageable.

As for whm not using AOE heals because they are focused on lillies, that's not a problem with the Lillie sistem, it's a problem with the players who don't have half enough of a brain to know that a stacked aoe ability should time Cure III to go off as the ability lands.

[Rivxkobe]

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I have experienced "got out of AoEs but still got hit" but I have never, ever experienced my heals counting as healing a full-health target when I pre-cast my spells. But again, if this happens to you you may need to not use WHM, or stop healing all together because if it is soooo bad that it makes DB unusable for you then you are not a reliable healer for your team. Also, if you are able to figure out how to work with your connection to deal with mechanics then you should be able to figure out how to pre-cast heals to get them off after the target takes damage.

Anyway, no one said anything about overhealing. You don't need to overheal, or use cure II for that matter, to get DB out.

[Tridus]

Sorry but this is a ridiculous post.

Lillies are in no way PERFECT, we all know that. However, they are manageable.

As for whm not using AOE heals because they are focused on lillies, that's not a problem with the Lillie sistem, it's a problem with the players who don't have half enough of a brain to know that a stacked aoe ability should time Cure III to go off as the ability lands.

Take a player who is new to healing. Have the game tell them they should be using Cure and Cure 2 to get lilies. What do you think will happen?

People who already know better won't fall into that trap. Some newbies will.

[Seraphyna]

not blow them away in an instant with assize or tetragrammaton

And this is why I just completely ignore the lily mechanic. Saving those lilies for something but someone needs insta-heal but not bene worth? Well, there they all go because you used tetra. If DB happens to light up, I use it. Otherwise I completely ignore the lily gauge.

Have to watch party bars.
Have to watch focus target.
Have to watch main tank.
Have to watch screen/enemy movement.
Have to watch mechanics.

Now have to watch lily crap.

Just no. Thought this was supposed to reduce screen staring/watching?