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  1. #3481
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    Heliosfiend's Avatar
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    Archelaus Heron
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    Asura
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    I kinda like the current changes with the lilies and aoe heals it adds confessions to all players better than the previous version, though the timing on where to use PI is up to us awesome whm still divine benison if throwing my lalafell body to mitigate some damage i will do it.. but i dont wanna die..
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  2. #3482
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    Seraphyna's Avatar
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    Sianne Rose
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    Cactuar
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    Paladin Lv 31
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post

    So now you've just proven you don't pay attention either. *Slowly claps*

    I think I can safely say that I rest my case.

    Don't duo or solo POTD do you? Thought so. Mobs can be slept for quite a few floors. But it seems.. what would you know about that? Absolutely nothing.
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  3. #3483
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    Ghishlain's Avatar
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Mateus
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphyna View Post
    Don't duo or solo POTD do you? Thought so. Mobs can be slept for quite a few floors. But it seems.. what would you know about that? Absolutely nothing.
    The context of my comment was that the person in question quoted me in saying I thought sleep was good for PotD when it was your comment to show that the poster in question doesn't pay attention to what's going on - not as a means to insult your particular post.

    I don't use sleep much but I can definitely see the merit of it in PotD. I'm so used to not using Repose that I forgot PotD actually makes quite a few exceptions for thanks for reminding me that, lol.
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  4. #3484
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    Ferrinus Prime
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    Excalibur
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    I'm very happy with the changes to Cure 1 and Plenary Indulgence in the latest patch. I think the last rough spot on WHM is Secret of the Lily II. A percentage of cure crits is so small as to be invisible and I don't like having another job whose mechanics push them to specifically stack crit to power a job feature.

    I'd love it if Secret of the Lily II's cooldown reduction was based off HoT ticks, like an inverse of BLM's Thundercloud; like, maybe it'd be a 10% chance per Regen tick an a 3% chance per Medica II tick (the numbers could be massaged up and down to balance it, and maybe it'd only read a maximum of four MII ticks each interval in order to make sure that the feature isn't stronger in 8man duties than 4man duties).
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  5. #3485
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    AeoreShillien's Avatar
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    Aeore Shillien
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    Behemoth
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrinus View Post
    I'm very happy with the changes to Cure 1 and Plenary Indulgence in the latest patch. I think the last rough spot on WHM is Secret of the Lily II. A percentage of cure crits is so small as to be invisible and I don't like having another job whose mechanics push them to specifically stack crit to power a job feature.

    I'd love it if Secret of the Lily II's cooldown reduction was based off HoT ticks, like an inverse of BLM's Thundercloud; like, maybe it'd be a 10% chance per Regen tick an a 3% chance per Medica II tick (the numbers could be massaged up and down to balance it, and maybe it'd only read a maximum of four MII ticks each interval in order to make sure that the feature isn't stronger in 8man duties than 4man duties).
    I was surprised that they didn't do anything with Secret of the Lily II on 4.05. However, I think White Mage is on a very good spot right now, I think buffing it would make it somewhat overpowered...
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  6. #3486
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    Sansa78's Avatar
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    Sansa Faye
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    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Still funny that WHM gets no love this patch. Again ^
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  7. #3487
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    Wynne Yilmaz
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    Gilgamesh
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sansa78 View Post
    Still funny that WHM gets no love this patch. Again ^
    I can't think of any issues WHM currently has besides PI stacks maybe having too short of a duration. Increasing it to 15 seconds would make it feel much better.

    What issues do you think we still have? IMO WHM hasn't been this good since Gordias.

    EDIT #1: I guess I can consider our level 68 trait another issue, due to relying on a 20% proc from a crit AKA super low chance. Maybe just make it into a spell that lets us consume Lilies at will for minor damage or healing? I just want a spell that lets me use Lilies for a minor bonus when all of my buffs are on cooldown, feels sad to waste lilies when I need to do big healing for larger pulls.
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    Last edited by magnanimousCynic; 08-09-2017 at 08:00 AM.
    I was the Almighty Enkidu for April Fools 2017.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beckett View Post
    To be fair, it's not so much a flame war as it's 12 pages of people agreeing the OP is an idiot.

  8. #3488
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    Aimori Duciel
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    Gilgamesh
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Whm is still going to have the same issues lack of utility when players gear up so why take one over astro/sch after progression is over.

    Secret of the Lily trait #2 needs to be changed already. As for Secret of the change it to something that isn't CDR or just delete it doesn't add anything of value to Whm anyway.

    Maybe remove Lilies from Cure II and add it to Regen I don't know why this has not already been changed Rng is no longer involved.

    Would also still like To see the Healer cross role looked at. Wait who am I kidding they don't even look at this thread. They don't care.
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    Last edited by Jxnibbles; 08-08-2017 at 04:00 PM.

  9. #3489
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    Rei_Zero's Avatar
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    Rei Zero
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    Cerberus
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    Weaver Lv 53
    Quote Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic View Post
    I can't think of any issues WHM currently has besides PI stacks maybe having too short of a duration.
    Replace stone skin for Divine Benison is fully retard decision. I can´t shield to my MT pretty times we need because I don't have lilies, that I just spent on Assize or Tetra. Not even I look lilies more, its pretty invisible for me now.
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  10. #3490
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    Hestzhyen Voer
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 80
    I don't think WHM needs huge buffs, but I hope they realise that no one's really jazzed about having some stupid flowers instead of something flashy and fun. I mean, CDR is powerful. But it's invisible power- we can't tell whether Assize is coming off CD early because of lilies or the trait or both, we just know if we can use it or not. And PI is still really crappy to use. Yes I've done savage, I've been to enrage on V3 a few times with my static. I still hardly use it and when I do, it's always lame. Like oh heck I don't have literally any of my other spells and I need something now, guess I'll use it. Which is rare. Either let the stacks last longer or give them more oomph if you're going to saddle us with this for the long haul, please?

    WHM is fine. But I won't rest until SE acknowledges that lilies are lame from a player perspective and that PI is a mistake.
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