SE, what is the vision and identity of Scholars?

[Supersun]

I'm not saying I definitly want that on adlo.
But Exiled said s/he wants AB to have to insta-cast removed, so I said that I'd prefer adlo to have the same effect than removing the insta cast on AB.

AB probably should have it's instant cast removed.

You'd essentially have to give each of the other 2 healers instant cast spike healing GCDs as well. I'm not sure this is the best thing from a game design perspective. One of the ways to create challenging content is trying to heal while the floor is on fire. Giving every healer instant cast GCDs spike heals pretty much entirely negates the difficulty of that. Like a good example was in the last Alex fight. Guess which class had 1000x easier time healing everyone while tethered while being shot at with floor AoEs. What was intended to be a challenge became a stupidly easy cake walk for Ast.

Now Ast may need some new oGCD ability to compensate for the loss of AB being instant cast, but that's probably a better route design wise than giving everyone instant cast heals.

[Riyshn]

AB probably should have it's instant cast removed.

You'd essentially have to give each of the other 2 healers instant cast spike healing GCDs as well. I'm not sure this is the best thing from a game design perspective. One of the ways to create challenging content is trying to heal while the floor is on fire. Giving every healer instant cast GCDs spike heals pretty much entirely negates the difficulty of that. Like a good example was in the last Alex fight. Guess which class had 1000x easier time healing everyone while tethered while being shot at with floor AoEs. What was intended to be a challenge became a stupidly easy cake walk for Ast.

Now Ast may need some new oGCD ability to compensate for the loss of AB being instant cast, but that's probably a better route design wise than giving everyone instant cast heals.

I don't think it needs to be given a cast time, it just needs to not be hands down better than Regen/Adlo while also being instant.

Which... sums up most of AST's balance issues at the moment, honestly.

[Supersun]

I don't think it needs to be given a cast time, it just needs to not be hands down better than Regen/Adlo while also being instant.

Which... sums up most of AST's balance issues at the moment, honestly.

Well, sure it's possible to create an instant GCD heal, but it needs to be created in such a way where it isn't the go-to heal such as the instant cast heal has either a much lower potency or a much higher MP cost...kinda like Aldo.

[BloodPact]

I don't think it needs to be given a cast time, it just needs to not be hands down better than Regen/Adlo while also being instant.

Which... sums up most of AST's balance issues at the moment, honestly.

If they remove the instant cast of Aspected Benefic then they need to give AST at least another OGCD healing ability. We only have Essential Dignity (Earthly Start isn't really instant, needs setup, and Minor Arcana requires setup and is behind a 50/50 rng, not to mention you have to burn whichever card you get for a chance at it).

[Kabzy]

If they remove the instant cast of Aspected Benefic then they need to give AST at least another OGCD healing ability. We only have Essential Dignity (Earthly Start isn't really instant, needs setup, and Minor Arcana requires setup and is behind a 50/50 rng, not to mention you have to burn whichever card you get for a chance at it).

I do half agree with you, but does it really need it? We all know AST is OP right now, and we also don't want them to be nerfed so bad that they end up in SCHs current situation. So if they made A.Benefic a cast, or much weaker but remaining instant, does AST really deserve to have another OGCD heal?

It comes down to homogenization again, and how far we actually want to go with it. If they were to not get an instant heal in return, then that indirectly buffs the other two while not really denting AST that much. If anything, it'll make AST a little more honest like it was pre 3.4. With Lightspeed being a thing, there's no real reason for AST to be getting instant heals just 'because the other two have them'.

For the record, I'm not proposing they should definitely do this, I'm just saying that we don't need to mimic the other two healers toolkits necessarily. That's kind of how this mess began in the first place. And having a penalty on fewer emergency heals could actually validate being able to buff the entire party. (Still not validating that 20% Balance card though!)

[Supersun]

It comes down to homogenization again

Some level of homogenization is required though as each healer needs specific ways to respond to challenges created by the Dev team.

AoE flies out? each healer needs a way to heal the party.

Back to back tank busters? Each healer needs a way to instant cast spike heal between the busters.

[simiii]

Whm is In a great place lol.....
I don't even feel like a healer just a glorified dps with a aoe that's prob going get nerfed again but ya other then that I'm bored asf of whm. I got ast to 70 and it annoys me how much better ast is... people say balance has to much rng and that's why ast not op...I can at LEAST have 5 aoe balances up. One fight I had so many aoe balances we killed lakshimi before we got lb3.

[Tashim]

even if AST had balance cards removed entirely, they would still be op right now.

The real problem that I see, is that astro is more efficient, and has stronger heals and shields.

Quick napkin math:
adlo: 1800 mp, 300 potency heal, 300 potency shield.
AB: 1440 mp, 230 (200*1.15 sect) potency heal, 575 (230*2.5) potency shield.

Assuming aprox 50% crit potency (which seems to be accurate)
crit adlo: 450 (300*1.5) potency heal, 900 (450*2.0) potency shield
crit AB: 345 (230*1.5) potency heal, 862 (345*2.5) potency shield.


While adlo does have slightly more base heal component, its crit shield is just barely larger than an astro crit shield, while the astro has almost twice the potency when comparing non-crit shields.

This is on top of costing 20% less mp, and being instant cast. (then if you add in the fact that astro gets benefic 2 for a high throughput heal of 747 potency (650*1.15) for 1080 mp, and it can get a crit proc from their super efficient little heal, astro has none of the drawbacks of scholar, that is forced to use adlo for high throughput healing, along with the fairy, and aetherflow stacks.

I like scholar, but it feels like I'm holding my team back anytime I choose to play it.

food for thought: if you have to cast adlo on someone twice, it would have taken the same mp to raise them.

I think the scholar needs to have its efficiency drastically improved, or it needs to have extremely high mp recovery again.

[Tashim]

Not true, AST does shields OR regens. Scholar does shields AND regens. That's the reason why AST shields more. If under Nocturnal the potencies were the same then where is the extra healing that the pet provides coming from? Whether one thinks this is fair or that it steals Scholar's identity is another topic. For the purpose of healing balance, AST shields need to output more than SCH's. HEALING BALANCE. No need to bring up the cards and support abilities (though for the record, I think The Balance should be toned down to something like 13% ST, 7% AOE).

Noct Astro does have a regen, its just on a 2 minute cooldown.
That pretty bubble... yeah, it does more than mitigate. It also applies Wheel of Fortune, which is a 172 potency regen for nocturnal sect astro, that lasts 15-40s (depending on channeling time and optionally extending it with celestial opposition). It heals for 50% more than Eos' whispering dawn does, and that's if you use fey illumination along with rouse first. It does have twice the cooldown of Whispering Dawn, but typically heals for more overall.

[AlexanderThorolund]

The identity of Scholars are this. It's easy.

They are highly technical powerful healers. The most powerful healers in the game.

Now I have to tell you. I'm a staunch Astro main. I have been since day 1 of 3.0 but I play all 3 healers. On a endgame level.

Now Scholar is incredible. It's so powerful and it's healing utility is so robust. But i understand why people struggle with it. Disipation and Fey Union are just brilliant.

I can't think of any negative about the job.