The Raid community as we know it

[Lambdafish]

I'll give Xeno this--he seems as able to take feedback as he is to give it.

More than that, he holds himself to the same expectations that he has of others. I don't care for his "bully" persona, but that's how he handles hardcore content effectively, thats simply on me to not watch his stuff.

I have a far bigger issue with special snowflakes like Kisai trying to tear down "elitist" players (in actuality just well disciplined and knowledgeable players) in order to enforce their own incorrect ideas of how the game should be played. Xeno puts in hours of training and research of game mechanics (down to the GCD or dot tick) in order to master jobs and instances, and we should realise and respect just how much effort goes into being an "elitist" and maybe actually listen to what they have to say.

TLDR: I watched SOTR and if you were offended by anything Xeno said, you are the problem, not him. Disagree sure, but don't be offended, disagreement leads to debate, being offended leads to you forcing your ideals onto the masses.

[Kallera]

TLDR: I watched SOTR and if you were offended by anything Xeno said, you are the problem, not him. Disagree sure, but don't be offended, disagreement leads to debate, being offended leads to you forcing your ideals onto the masses.

Wouldn't this also mean you accept the fact that people are going to adopt his "bully persona" along with it?

[Lambdafish]

Wouldn't this also mean you accept the fact that people are going to adopt his "bully persona" along with it?

I didnt say that, I just realise that there are better ways to counter that. Xenos himself is fair IMO, if he calls you out then you are at fault, if you can prove he is wrong then he will direct his persona to his own failings. Proving you are in the right, and having pride in yourself is far better than being a wet blanket and coming to the forums to complain that someone said mean things to you. Also, the report function exists for anything actually serious

[Kallera]

There are better ways to counter that though. Xenos himself is fair IMO, if he calls you out then you are at fault, if you can prove he is wrong then he will direct his persona to his own failings. Proving you are in the right, and having pride in yourself is far better than being a wet blanket and coming to the forums to complain that someone said mean things to you. Also, the report function exists for anything actually serious

I m not sure if I'm in his datacenter, but he doesn't sound like a person I would get along with, regardless of how I play.

Maybe there is something wrong with me when I don't have an tirade ready for each role. I guess-- shock, gasp!-- doing my best just falls where it may on the criticism line.

[Lambdafish]

I m not sure if I'm in his datacenter, but he doesn't sound like a person I would get along with.

You don't have to get along with him, I probably wouldn't either, I already said that I don't care for his persona. What I'm saying is that if he does call you out then you should listen, or debate if you disagree. What Xeno has is experience and knowledge. If he calls you out then you have the obligation to listen at least and respect the complaint.