Getting Kicked as a Tank from Dungeons for Power Pulls! No more for me!

[Neri]

I had the OP in a dungeon the other day. We were in the Aery, the healer had ilvl 90-ish gear mostly and he complained about it the whole run despite the healer keeping him alive. They argued a lot, we got to the last boss, then he demanded we either kick the healer, kick him, or sit there and wait for the dungeon to time out. The healer told him to just finish the run because they didn't want to hurt us (the dps), he (the OP) refused.

The healer really should've had better gear, but they were getting the job done. And when he decided to hold the group hostage we decided to just kick him. Luckily we got a replacement tank instantly and cleared the dungeon. OP, you should work on your attitude.

Well, gg TC.

[Maeka]

Yeah, that's unacceptable behavior, even if they were undergeared.

Now, frankly, i90 is too low for Aery. But if they were able to keep the tank alive despite their low I-level, then hey. As long as you clear the dungeon. Now, if there were wipes and such, and if the healer could not keep him alive during even normal pulls, then yeah. A kick might have been warranted if the healer was preventing them from clearing the dungeon.

But this obviously was not the case, as they got clear to the last boss.

This horrible behavior by a terrible tank is in no way indicative of all tanks, and most of your better tanks will agree that this is just unacceptable behavior whatsoever.

[hynaku]

I like tanks that do small pulls better. Most tanks I see that do huge pulls is under geared and you can't heal them fast enough or they use sprint and leave healer behind where can't target them with healing spells. But have seen a lot good tanks where have no problems with large pulls.

[ADVSS]

Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

This has got to be the best sig ever

[Paladinleeds]

This has got to be the best sig ever

Yep, and it exactly mirrors my thoughts. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been kicked from a DF group, in all my 3 years of playing. And I've done everything from small pulls to large pulls. This is making me think the OP is hiding something that suggests the real reason he got kicked.

Yeah, that's unacceptable behavior, even if they were undergeared.

Now, frankly, i90 is too low for Aery. But if they were able to keep the tank alive despite their low I-level, then hey. As long as you clear the dungeon. Now, if there were wipes and such, and if the healer could not keep him alive during even normal pulls, then yeah. A kick might have been warranted if the healer was preventing them from clearing the dungeon.

But this obviously was not the case, as they got clear to the last boss.

This horrible behavior by a terrible tank is in no way indicative of all tanks, and most of your better tanks will agree that this is just unacceptable behavior whatsoever.

Now I'm not an amazing tank by any stretch of the imagination, but I agree it is unacceptable behaviour. In fact, I would go so far as to suggest that tank should be reported to the GMs for play-related harassment. Sure, there might have been a few butt-clenching moments for me as a tank, but if you were getting me healed through the duty, even if you're undergeared, I'm fine with that. I would however suggest to improve their gear after dungeon though as i90 gear is cutting it a little too fine for The Aery, and beyond that is a complete no-go.

Final note - it's a team game. The goal is to finish the duty as quickly as possible, however that doesn't mean if you fail a pull you should quit, moan or point blame. Put those boots back on and adjust to the rest of your party.

E-{bang}-xactly! If something goes wrong, I won't point blame. I will just say "Ok, that didn't work out as well as I had hoped, here's how I will prevent that happening next time" (actually had that in Doma Castle, I got a bit too eager on one of the pulls and it threw my SCH for a loop, just that one pull in particular, others of similar size were OK, I think it was the individual mobs involved that caused the problem), so I slowed down for that pull. After that, we were able to speed back up again, though both me and the healer had a few butt-clenching moments! But skillful healing on her part and passable use of defensive cooldowns on my part and no other deaths were had. So kudos to that healer, I pushed myself out of my comfort zone and you handled it amazingly!

I had the OP in a dungeon the other day. We were in the Aery, the healer had ilvl 90-ish gear mostly and he complained about it the whole run despite the healer keeping him alive. They argued a lot, we got to the last boss, then he demanded we either kick the healer, kick him, or sit there and wait for the dungeon to time out. The healer told him to just finish the run because they didn't want to hurt us (the dps), he (the OP) refused.

The healer really should've had better gear, but they were getting the job done. And when he decided to hold the group hostage we decided to just kick him. Luckily we got a replacement tank instantly and cleared the dungeon. OP, you should work on your attitude.

Aha, that explains why he's getting kicks out the wazoo and I seem to have no problems. That's exactly it, since I take an encouraging and solutions-driven attitude to problems, people have no reason to kick me, because it drives a more positive attitude in. Someone has a signature with it in... Be an Optimist Prime, not a Negatron. (I have to admit thinking of that has me laughing my head off)

[Greedalox]

I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been kicked from a DF group, in all my 3 years of playing.

While I don't tank- and I've been playing since 2.0 launch- I have never been kicked from a group which is why I'm always confused when it's the norm for some people.

[Altena]

There is a saying..

"If everyone else is a problem, then you're usually the problem". (Modified slightly to reduce vulgar language).

Not saying that you're a bad person, just that generally speaking if you are constantly running into issues, such as getting kicked, then you might want to consider what it is that you're actually doing that is not up to scratch.
Raging about it or declaring that everyone is wrong is not productive.
Step outside of your own perspective and have a look at what you're doing that could be the cause for these vote kicks.
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Some food for thought - Perhaps you're pulling the entire world, instead of pulling what is reasonably managable? Perhaps you're not dodging ground AoEs while getting pounded on by a bunch of mobs? Perhaps you're losing hate to the healer and they are dying?

General rule - if you're dying or wiping on pulls, then pull a little bit less next time.
It could be your fault, it could be the healer's fault, or it could be the DPS's fault for not zerging everything down fast enough.
Who's at fault shouldn't matter, but what should matter is adapting to what the party can seem to manage.

Not everyone should force themselves to play beyond their level. This doesn't just go for tanks but healers and DPS as well.
If they can't manage the bigger pulls, then they should speak up and ask for smaller ones.

Final note - it's a team game. The goal is to finish the duty as quickly as possible, however that doesn't mean if you fail a pull you should quit, moan or point blame. Put those boots back on and adjust to the rest of your party.

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I had the OP in a dungeon the other day. We were in the Aery, the healer had ilvl 90-ish gear mostly and he complained about it the whole run despite the healer keeping him alive. They argued a lot, we got to the last boss, then he demanded we either kick the healer, kick him, or sit there and wait for the dungeon to time out. The healer told him to just finish the run because they didn't want to hurt us (the dps), he (the OP) refused.

The healer really should've had better gear, but they were getting the job done. And when he decided to hold the group hostage we decided to just kick him. Luckily we got a replacement tank instantly and cleared the dungeon. OP, you should work on your attitude.

This dear OP is likely your problem.

It's not about your pulls, or your gear, or your CD usage but your attitude.

[SmallHobbit]

tank kick

who cares you are a tank xD just requeue it will instant pop anyway.

have fun! hobbit

PS: i heal yesterday as SCH in lvl 61 dungeon with big pull and the PLD had full STR gear and i still was able to heal the tank while i did 1,3k dps.

[Lexia]

That what we calling them now, power pulls? Sounds kind of me imo.

[Hayward]

We're not in 3.x anymore, Toto.

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Sorry about that, folks. The point is this isn't Heavensward. SE made adjustments to a lot of our AoE abilities and upped the attack of dungeon enemies SPECIFICALLY to discourage would-be Supermen from trying to pull whole areas. As someone said earlier, respect the content.