4.05 DPS Ranking Expectations

[KuroTenshi]

I actually like what someone mentioned about melee and ranged. Ranged can take the place of melee, but melee cannot take the place of ranged. If melee do less damage than ranged there's no reason to bring melee. Optimally you'd take as many ranged to every fight as you can even now. But currently due to melee dps(sam/mnk) and utility(nin/drg) you still want to keep at least two melee.

[Elnidfse]

I actually like what someone mentioned about melee and ranged. Ranged can take the place of melee, but melee cannot take the place of ranged. If melee do less damage than ranged there's no reason to bring melee. Optimally you'd take as many ranged to every fight as you can even now. But currently due to melee dps(sam/mnk) and utility(nin/drg) you still want to keep at least two melee.

1) Ranged DPS would have to do MORE than melee while also being more RELIABLE in their DPS. Neither of these two conditions are true. In fact, they're so not true that you'd be better off taking 3 melee and 1 RDM and in fact the fastest times have done just that.
2) Try to remember stacking jobs and that association with limit breaks
3) Ranged physical can not take the place of melee. In fact, you don't even have to take a ranged physical DPS at all. While you shouldn't do 4 melee DPS. 3 melee and 1 caster works just fine and is actually a better solution than 3 melee and 1 ranged physical.
4) DRG should not be mentioned. Their rDPS contribution does not balance out their low damage.

It's not about how it affects their dps. It's about how likely a party is to choose them over other classes. The utility a RDM brings to the table compensates for a lower damage. If I had a BLM and a RDM who do the same amount of damage and let's say the BLM has embolden too, I would still choose the RDM because of cure and raise.

Their lower damage? On average RDM is HIGHER than other DPS.... The icing on the cake is that they have cure and raise.

[Aysen]

Their lower damage? On average RDM is HIGHER than other DPS.... The icing on the cake is that they have cure and raise.

I was referring to a hypothetical situation wherein two equally skilled players are playing RDM and BLM respectively and the two classes are perfectly balanced. Now I change the scenario and give cure and raise to RDM. As a result their dps is now below that of the BLM. As a static leader, despite the fact that the RDM does slightly less dps, I will choose the RDM because of his added utility.

I simply wanted to state that skills that lower a class's dps should still be taken into account when determining their overall dps ranking. A class that lacks utility must compensate for it by having something else such as higher dps.

Hopefully, we can all agree that SE wants every class to be equally desireable as a member of any party.

[Aysen]

Also, casters are ruthlessly punished by mechanics. That's why their average damage per hit is higher than the average damage per hit for melee classes. This is by design by the game developers. Just look at the potency values and you'll see. Fine, not convinced?

Let's say I'm playing a BLM. I'm doing my rotation. Uh oh. Titan put down a knock you off the platform right under me. Lets tally:
Interrupted cast: 1.5s
Moving: 2s
Moving back: 2s (yes we do this too, mechanics)
Hard cast B3: 3.5
9s of no dps

Now I probably lost Astral Fire which means I lost Enocian which means I lost progress for Foul.

This would be akin to SAM losing all their Sen and Kenki.
Akin to MNK losing greased lightning.
Akin to NIN losing Huton and putting Ninjustsu on CD.
Akin to DRG losing BotD.