4.05 DPS Ranking Expectations

[Alchemii]

So here's my ranking on the matter.
1) Sam/Blm
2) Drg/Mnk/Mch (cause I'm bias )
3)Rdm/Smn/Nin (from an unbias view this is probably where mch should be)
4) Brd

Now for actual numbered order
1. Sam
2. Blm
3. Mnk
4. Drg
5. Mch (again bias)
6. Rdm
7. Nin
8. Smn
9. Brd

[Galvuu]

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Why does everyone put SMN so low?
You either buff the hell out of their utility, or they should be outdpsing RDM/NIN/BRD (and maybe MCH), as their utility is comparatively weaker.

[Alchemii]

Why does everyone put SMN so low?
You either buff the hell out of their utility, or they should be outdpsing RDM/NIN/BRD (and maybe MCH), as their utility is comparatively weaker.

I'll agree it should be out dpsing Brd, everyone should be out dpsing Brd. However, honestly you should look more at my first ranking than the second, where I put Rdm, Smn, and Nin all on the same level. The 3 of them should be doing about the same amount of damage. The only reason smn ended up so low compared to the other two was because I put the second list together, and realized I forgot to put smn on it, so I just kinda threw it on the end.

[wereotter]

Why does everyone put SMN so low?
You either buff the hell out of their utility, or they should be outdpsing RDM/NIN/BRD (and maybe MCH), as their utility is comparatively weaker.

It's not just utility, but also how effected the job is by mechanics. Summoners have the benefit of mobility since your DOTs keep ticking while you move, your pet keeps attacking, and you have Ruin II. As such being able to consistently put out damage means you shouldn't have as much DPS without mechanics as other roles that do lose DPS by moving.

As far as the original post, when it comes to the amount of utility offered by melee DPS, Monk should absolutely give higher personal DPS than a Ninja. Monk brings very little to the table, even after this patch, considering it's the only job that benefits from its blunt resistance down, Mantra is only marginally useful, and Brotherhood only really works in comps with lots of physical DPS, compared to Ninjas who bring trick attack, shade walker, and smokescreen all of which enable much more raid DPS than a monk does.

[Galvuu]

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SMN could have 100% uptime (it doesn't) and its dps would still be too low.
The reality is that SMN's personal dps plus its raid dps contribution has to be in line with the median of the dps jobs. And it's not. And if it's personal dps on an realistic raid setting is as low as many people seem to think it should, then it still won't reach that median.
And don't forget that SMN has a lot of gating in its resources, so it can get very heavily punished in a raid.