AST issues and Healer role

[Cyrocco]

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Yeahhh...No. Astrologian is 68. That's one skill missing. Balance issues are not solely seen at level 70 content. These "generalizations" directly address your complaint. All knowledge outside of numbers and results is flawed because people have opinions, ergo, by that argument, your entire post is flawed.

While my argument remains, I learned these skills top to bottom when level 60 was the cap, got my Anima and everything, big boy. They haven't changed. You're looking for an out.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

And to close, show me your evidence and I'll show you mine.

[inhaledcorn]

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Uh, none of the healers have a lv68 skill. Instead, they have lv68 traits.

... Granted, they're all Spears of some sort, so they essentially have nothing, but that's besides the point.

[Sebazy]

SB AST just feels like a backwards step in terms of QOL to me. At the risk of sounding like a stuck record, some of these changes really demonstrate SE's lack of knowledge of endgame play with the various healer jobs. Yoshida would do well to persuade SE to let him hire a few choice people from the JP raiding scene imo.

Back on track, whilst AST is undeniably powerful, it's clunky to play now IMO with the new card UI being an awful case of form over function.

Not being able to macro off cards is fair enough, it was arguably a little unbalanced that I could do much of my card work whilst casting something else.

However I'm completely in agreement with the feeling that not being able to see a co healer's cards is just a big step backwards. It's not just other ASTs that are interested in an upcoming balance.

Another issue I don't see mentioned so much is the need to keep undraw hotkeyed alongside minor arcana for level synced content. This could have been handled better imo as we're just in needless button bloat territory again.

I'm also inclined to agree that not being able to click off Royal Road is another QOL regression, it significantly limits the appeal of Sleeve Draw to the extent that I only ever use it once I have my aoe RR pocketed. At that point it's little more than an extra shot at a balance every few minutes, I'm not really sure this is what SE had in mind when they put the ability in.

Earthly Star displaying as a dot/hot tick? This really makes the ability's power quite hard to judge and is just a lazy poorly thought out implementation if you ask me.

Seperating Synastry and Largesse/DS was a further example of needless bloat and arguably it's a buff that AST didn't really need nor deserve. How about adding a trait specific to each job for the ability, AST's would merge the Synastry effect back in, SCH could turn it into a flat 20% spell potency buff (So it buffs dots and broil) whilst WHM could boost the effect back up to 30% (I suspect a cooldown reduction would be a bit much given the extended duration).

Lastly, it's a personal preference but I can't say I'm hugely keen on the feel and lack of flow of AST's DPS now. One instant cast dot is a bit clunky IMO =/

Needless to say, I'm especially happy my group isn't pressuring me to play AST for this progression, WHM might not have balance but my god it's 10x more enjoyable to play IMHO. The downside is I'm having to work hard on my DPS to warrant the pick

[Liii]

I agree that in the current state of Astro, making the cards visible will get rid of the only barrier between ast/ast comps. If this is to happen something else has to give. Ast is the only class that can double without any drawbacks. You can say they do shitty dps, but the possibility of 100% card uptime, balance, arrow, bole, more than makes up for it:/

[Tonjiar]

Yeahhh...No. Astrologian is 68. That's one skill missing. Balance issues are not solely seen at level 70 content. These "generalizations" directly address your complaint. All knowledge outside of numbers and results is flawed because people have opinions, ergo, by that argument, your entire post is flawed.

While my argument remains, I learned these skills top to bottom when level 60 was the cap, got my Anima and everything, big boy. They haven't changed. You're looking for an out.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

And to close, show me your evidence and I'll show you mine.

I'm not claiming healing numbers for who is top dog right now or about balance issue between the healing jobs. That's you in case you have forgotten your prior posts.

You want evidence of what I have claimed? Sure.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/9199114/

Your current healing jobs are 22 Conj, 53 SCH, and 68 AST. You haven't done the current level 70 content as a healer because you legitimately can't get into the content as a healer. You can only reference other people's opinion and it's not even the vast majority of the playbase you're taking information from and quoting thoughts and beliefs as "truth" or "facts".

Where's your math, you say do it but have provide no content to back up your claims just as your other posts do the same.

It's like your post start a thought, get sidetracked and you end up making a fragmented post with thought base "potholes" and inaccuracies according to only "your", and I use the term loosely because you only have a sum of only what you have read and not what you have experienced or validated, healer ideology.

Also let me help you with something

This is a fact

Current AST problems for me:

• Can't see the other card buffs for other ASTs, this makes me want to avoid healing with any other AST on principal of the card overwrite. Could fix this by allowing cards not of the same type to stack, ie no double bole but bole and a balance.
• Can't remove the royal road buff, there are situations where i want to remove an aoe in favor of a single target in the moment without burning another card for an overwrite. Yes those situations happen infrequently but often enough that I notice I can't do this anymore.

This is an opinion

Current AST problems:

• Can't see the other card buffs for other ASTs, this makes me want to avoid healing with any other AST on principal of the card overwrite. Could fix this by allowing cards not of the same type to stack, ie no double bole but bole and a balance.
• Can't remove the royal road buff, there are situations where i want to remove an aoe in favor of a single target in the moment without burning another card for an overwrite. Yes those situations happen infrequently but often enough that I notice I can't do this anymore.

Might be hard for you to see the difference but I'm sure if you read enough reddit posts about it someone will tell you why.

[Cyrocco]

Bruh, how many times are you gonna reference my levels for level 30-45 skills. If you’re just going to go tantrum mode, I’m not interested in listening to you. Sorry, I don’t need level 70 experience to know how Royal Road works, only a simpleton would think that. I’m done with this, given that it’s simply turned into a prolonged Strawman argument. I’ll settle for being right I suppose.

[Novak_04]

Just because Astro is in a good place doesn't mean we don't have things that we'd like to see get changed. We're not asking for buffs, we're asking for QoL changes. I'm terribly sorry that White Mage and Scholar aren't doing as well -- truly, I am. If I had it my way, we'd all be fixed. This "You have no right asking for anything..." mentality is getting old. There are dozens upon dozens upon dozens of threads from White Mages and Scholars begging -- pleading for changes (rightfully so), and anytime an Astro raises their hand we get our heads bitten off. WE didn't nerf you! WE didn't buff ourselves! Direct your rage toward the proper authorities and let us have a voice.

[Sebazy]

Futhermore: Check the healer forums you're posting on.

Futhermore: Check Reddit.

One thing I will add, these forums (and reddit) have been massively wrong on plenty of occasions. Mindlessly basing your opinions on either of these is a very risky game

Want some examples? Years ago (My opinion was based on early 7 man SCOB sales long before the lockout was removed) I practically got laughed off reddit for claiming that Selene was actually a net DPS loss vs Eos. The moment ranked speed running became a thing? Eos everywhere.

And here? Well you only have to look recently at how most people were screaming that WHM was stone dead in the water and SCH was going to be a beast. Best forum u-turn 2k17?

Your views miss one huge detail imo. Some cards can literally be a booby trap in certain situations. Spear is a classic example of this, using it on DPS mid Savage attempts can throw their rotations off and will often result in a DPS loss as things fall out of sequence. Having Sleeve Draw drop a Spear in Spread is all the reason I ever need to never use that ability without a Balance in my pocket.

I need endgame experience to know how level 30 skills work? Wasn't aware.

Yes.

Many jobs are in the situation they are now because SE admittedly tuned them around dummies rather than actual content. DRG, BLM and War all look absolutely fine on paper and do decently on dummies. Throw them in real content and they underperform really quite drastically. With proper testing or oh I don't know, how about some actual understanding of how things play at the endgame, SE could have avoided these mistakes really rather easily.

[Cyrocco]

Yes.

Many jobs are in the situation they are now because SE admittedly tuned them around dummies rather than actual content. DRG, BLM and War all look absolutely fine on paper and do decently on dummies.

Do Cards work on dummies? I don't believe so. And I do believe this thread refers to Astrologian performance. Not DPS. Understanding the full functionality of Draw/Royal Road/Shuffle lies more within the player than the actual level or stats. So no. I don't need to be level 70 to understand the full capabilities of Royal Road. Because I understood them just fine. Belittling me for being level 68 instead of 70 doesn't change my skill. I'll understand all of them just the same when I'm level 70 too. But I suppose bullies will be bullies.

[Novak_04]

Using Royal Road in a dungeon and using it in a raid can be a bit different. In a dungeon, you can basically use it however you'd like because regardless of what you Royal Road, the fight will be over in a few minutes. Basically the cards don't hold as high of value in a dungeon-type setting, nor are they game-changers. In a raid, however, the Royal Road effect can be significant. You may understand what the ability does, but that doesn't mean you know how to use it. Dungeons =/= Raid.