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    Tonjiar's Avatar
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    Enthnal Enturai
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    Astrologian Lv 100

    AST issues and Healer role

    Current AST problems for me:
    • Can't see the other card buffs for other ASTs, this makes me want to avoid healing with any other AST on principal of the card overwrite. Could fix this by allowing cards not of the same type to stack, ie no double bole but bole and a balance.
    • Can't remove the royal road buff, there are situations where i want to remove an aoe in favor of a single target in the moment without burning another card for an overwrite. Yes those situations happen infrequently but often enough that I notice I can't do this anymore.

    These have been listed before but with maybe with the repeating the problems enough attention will be brought to light that I won't dread healing with another AST.

    Also for some some extra icing to the post, I present the proper way to use rescue.

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    Seolla Viltara
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonjiar View Post
    Also for some some extra icing to the post, I present the proper way to use rescue.
    Since Rescue allows us to yank players, I see no reason why it shouldn't be able to be used on corpses as a sort of projectile "fling" attack, letting us launch our erstwhile contemporaries at a boss before ressing them. I mean it's all well and good to pull a DPS into an AoE circle, but honestly they stand in them just fine on their own; they don't seem to need our help for that.
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    This example was when I was helping with Shinryu. Near the end of the fight I determined that we really only needed one tank and this lucky one got a flying trip across a platform that didn't exist anymore. Should have named this move drag.
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    Even if i'm sad that ast cannot remove the royal road buff anymore (neither the card kept on the side), i'm pretty sure if it was possible, sleeve draw would have to be nerf to compensate the buff. Having both a draw+redraw every 30s, sleeve every 2min, AND the ability to remove any lame card we got in any slot at will at any time would be a huge buff. (i miss the time where it was possible to do that though)
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    Being able to remove the Royal Road would be way too good.

    I'm surprised not being able to see other AST's cards was over looked. My only guess is it's a hint at , don't run multiple of the same classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xNewbx View Post
    Being able to remove the Royal Road would be way too good.
    How would that be too good?

    Quote Originally Posted by xNewbx View Post
    I'm surprised not being able to see other AST's cards was over looked. My only guess is it's a hint at , don't run multiple of the same classes.
    If it's a hint at that, then we shouldn't be queue'd up in roulettes together then.
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    Lutemis Rangar
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    I've posted on this type of topic before, and I maintain my position that the point is not to heal with another AST.

    SCH/SCH cannot stack shields, and waste shields by casting over eachother.

    WHM/WHM only has raw healing power and no mitigation.

    AST/AST never had any drawback, and once SE gives us the tiniest one, ASTs throw fits everywhere.

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    As for ASTs current Draw limitations, I can't believe people still have complaints. At the start AST could Draw one card, had slower RRs and Shuffles, and Shuffle could've been the same card. Then people complained. Then they got faster draws/shuffles/RRs, and Shuffle couldn't pull the same card (and it got its stupid new name,) and you could still cancel any card whenever you wanted. Now, SE has given us a better alternative to just throwing away buffs in the way of Minor Arcana, and a skill that draws four cards at once. And Astrologians are still throwing fits over RNG? It's barely RNG at this point. So, excuse me if I sound a bit irate at this point, but if people really think the strongest healer in the game should have no drawback to its unique system, then you're the reason AST is overbuffed to start.
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    Last edited by Cyrocco; 07-13-2017 at 02:38 AM.

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    Ile'a Nahvi
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    Sidestepping the Royal Road debate (controller player, so clicking off never applied for me anyway) -- seeing the other AST's cards is a big deal. I have macros set up to declare what card I'm using, within reason, if DF puts me with another AST. But I definitely found it less obtuse to target the other healer and see what they have ready, rather than watching chat.

    Overwriting can and will happen anyway, but now there's no easy way to plan around another AST.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilea View Post
    Sidestepping the Royal Road debate (controller player, so clicking off never applied for me anyway) -- seeing the other AST's cards is a big deal. I have macros set up to declare what card I'm using, within reason, if DF puts me with another AST. But I definitely found it less obtuse to target the other healer and see what they have ready, rather than watching chat.

    Overwriting can and will happen anyway, but now there's no easy way to plan around another AST.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrocco View Post
    AST/AST never had any drawback, and once SE gives us the tiniest one, ASTs throw fits everywhere.
    SCHs don't get to coordinate their shields. ASTs don't get to coordinate their cards. WHMs don't get to prep for tankbusters with mitigation. It's really easy to understand.
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    Ile'a Nahvi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrocco View Post
    SCHs don't get to coordinate their shields. ASTs don't get to coordinate their cards. WHMs don't get to prep for tankbusters with mitigation. It's really easy to understand.
    Regens stack, and two ASTs in Noct don't get to mix shields, either. (And hey; it happens sometimes when you're both trying to switch!) Cards are unique to ASTs, and I don't think it's really comparable to the other two jobs.

    I know why it was removed -- for the gauge -- but I do wish we could get some kind of indicator.
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