Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I personally think the Confession stacks would be fine if they removed the timer. There's really no reason to have them be on a 30-second timer.

This. The main issue with Plenary, aside from it hardly ever procing, is that it falls off. By the time you actually want to use the heal, it's gone.
I really don't see why this ability is locked behind so many walls. RNG, single target heals only, multiple stacks and a timer. It's just a heal, it's not even that special.

[Ceasaria]

This. The main issue with Plenary, aside from it hardly ever procing, is that it falls off. By the time you actually want to use the heal, it's gone.
I really don't see why this ability is locked behind so many walls. RNG, single target heals only, multiple stacks and a timer. It's just a heal, it's not even that special.

Because it's an instant free heal you can do every 15 sec. Compared to the others, we have : Tetragrammaton --> 60 sec / Essential Dignity --> 40 sec.
This is a balance question. Now I agree, the inconvenients are too high and this spell don't match the efficiency of Tetra or Essential Dignity.

[AutumnsHollow]

I don't think fixing Plenary will do anything besides improve our quality of life. Yes it's awful, but even making it less awful of a heal still won't fix the underlying issue.

Astro is king atm because of 20% balance, if you're doing progression raiding you will take an astro; weather it be diurnal or nocturnal for balance. White mage seems appealing atm because scholar got beat with the nerf bat but I sincerely doubt (I may be eating my words in a few days), that they'll let scholar stay the way it is. At that point we go back to 3.4 days.

It's dumb that a nocturnal astro can completely nullify susanoo extremes push back with an instant cast less MP used shield compare to scholar, and that's not even the tip of the iceberg, but that's saved for another post about a different topic. So once scholar gets fixed outside of early progression for a safety net why would you take a white mage? Because you personally enjoy the flavor of the class more than astro? That's perfectly fine if your group is okay with it, but even with your groups consent that doesn't change the fact that you do not have balance so you'll be hindering overall raid DPS and prolonging the fight by not being an astro. True you'll be able to heal damage in less GCD's than an astro and can go back to DPSing quicker but your personal DPS does not outweigh 10% balance on the whole group.

Scholar brings chain stratagem to the group, and astro has resource cards + balance. You could even argue that you could bring another melee DPS or caster and forgo bard/mechanic entirely if you play your cards right if savage omega is as lenient as creator. With double goad and mana shifting going around it may actually end up being viable. Probably not for early progression because bards tactician and refresh are an insane safety net but when everyone knows the fight?

Thin air may be amazing, and our MP management might be great but that doesn't improve raid DPS. If ballad still incurred a damage penalty we could argue that...but not anymore lol. White mage will be viable in all content, it will be able to beat anything and have good MP management. But it will not be competitive in the raid scene unless it gets utility or balance gets reduced to 10%, like in midas days. That's when healer balance (ignoring nocturnal astro), was best imo.

But considering that Yoshi didn't even comment on the state of healers and only talked about tanks/DPS in that forum post maybe all healers being viable is enough for SE. If so, I feel for my scholar brothern and sisters, lol. I hope that train of thought is completely wrong, but we'll see in a few days.

[Verdan]

That's why I've been saying this whole time that confessions should be an actual buff that PI extends. We'll buff through healing and extend it through healing.

Of course, that won't happen.

[lulunami]

White mage will be viable in all content, it will be able to beat anything and have good MP management. But it will not be competitive in the raid scene unless it gets utility or balance gets reduced to 10%, like in midas days. That's when healer balance (ignoring nocturnal astro), was best imo.

But considering that Yoshi didn't even comment on the state of healers and only talked about tanks/DPS in that forum post maybe all healers being viable is enough for SE. If so, I feel for my scholar brothern and sisters, lol. I hope that train of thought is completely wrong, but we'll see in a few days.

Make WHM good enough to solo heal anything and replace an AST/SCH with RDM instead.

[Reiryuu]

Because it's an instant free heal you can do every 15 sec. Compared to the others, we have : Tetragrammaton --> 60 sec / Essential Dignity --> 40 sec.
This is a balance question. Now I agree, the inconvenients are too high and this spell don't match the efficiency of Tetra or Essential Dignity.

Then don't give us another heal. I mean, it's not like the WHM community has been begging for new heals. If anything, the exact opposite. PI is a totally unnecessary skill for the WHM which makes the fact it's our level 70 skill and so useless all the more disappointing.

[Ranulf]

After getting White Mage to 70 and using it in some raids, I have some thoughts... :thinking emoji:

Lilies:
I think the current mechanic of the lilies is silly and needs to be re-done.
If not re-done, I think the level 68 trait could at least be changed to effect Spell Speed.
1 Lily: 5% SpS
2 Lilies: 10% SpS
3 Lilies: 15% SpS

Divine Benison:
Because you took Stoneskin away from us, I think this could also use a buff. It's very weak at the moment.
Again, with the Lilies.
1 Lily: 15% Shield
2 Lilies: 20% Shield
3 Lilies: 25% Shield

Plenary Indulgence:
Oh boy, where do I begin.
Please remove the timer on the Confession buff or increase the chance of occurrence. 20% is way too low.
I also think it should be able to proc on Medica and Medica II, we can leave Assize out of that for balance.
With as many fights as there are spitting out AoE left and right, any WHM worth their salt is not going to single target heal all 7 party members. That's just silly and not MP efficient.

We need more incentive to build and maintain lilies. A silly 4%/10%/20% recast reduction on abilities that are already short as it is, is not really a fun mechanic.
White Mage just doesn't feel interactive enough. Though a solid job and healer, it's very boring.

Building lilies to buff up your Spell Speed is nice incentive, then being able to decide whether or not to use them for our other abilities adds strategy to the job. It makes it more interactive.
It's just... silly to build them up just to spend them because they're there. *shrug*

Thanks for your time.

[ToasterMan]

Until SE addresses the underlying issues with WHM then mine will rot at 60 never to be played again.

[Tridus]

Because it's an instant free heal you can do every 15 sec. Compared to the others, we have : Tetragrammaton --> 60 sec / Essential Dignity --> 40 sec.
This is a balance question. Now I agree, the inconvenients are too high and this spell don't match the efficiency of Tetra or Essential Dignity.

It's an instant free heal you can do every 15 seconds, assuming you're spamming Cure/Cure 2 enough to get a confession every 15 seconds, assuming the confession is on the target you want to heal with PI, and assuming you need that healing before the confession falls off.

That's an awful lot of assumptions, and that's the problem with PI in a nutshell.

[Celef]

Just got my lvl 70 special skill, existed I take the first occasion to try it cause it's new and shiny and....what the fuck ? did someone form SE forget to activate it during dev time ? ^^"
It, litteraly does nothing, even with 3 stacks of buff xD