Shirk is amazing. (Ethics)

[ADVSS]

The dumbest skill to ever reach a tank. Stealing group enmity wouldve been fine, biut this one isnt even needed anymore since provoke and ultimaumdont require you to level a second job to learn anymore. Ethics or not, the only reason a tank has to have this on their hotbar, is because they cant tank swap properly, or the other tank cant hold hate. If I ever ran into a tank that trolled so obviously with this skill, theyd be kicked so hard, itd stop being a fun prank for them.

[ArianeEwah]

the only reason a tank has to have this on their hotbar, is because they cant tank swap properly, or the other tank cant hold hate. If I ever ran into a tank that trolled so obviously with this skill, theyd be kicked so hard, itd stop being a fun prank for them.

This is complete and utter BS. Shirk made fluent tank swap possible. In the past MT had to stop attacking, yes, even to withdraw thier weapon, and/or OT had to plan aggro combo beforehand. This tool enables a fluent playstyle for both tanks and even the whole party, as they don't have to watch aggression, making speed kills a breeze.

Also, I don't think OP wanted to troll, but more like teaching this BLM a lesson. There are other abilities that can be abused to troll like rescue. (Don't do this unless thier your friends, but even they have thier limits.)

[ADVSS]

This is complete and utter BS. Shirk made fluent tank swap possible. In the past MT had to stop attacking, yes, even to withdraw thier weapon, and/or OT had to plan aggro combo beforehand. This tool enables a fluent playstyle for both tanks and even the whole party, as they don't have to watch aggression, making speed kills a breeze.

Also, I don't think OP wanted to troll, but more like teaching this BLM a lesson. There are other abilities that can be abused to troll like rescue. (Don't do this unless thier your friends, but even they have thier limits.)

Doesnt change the fact its a crutch for "speedkilling". and what do you mean its not trolling, its abusing an ability to mess with a party member, Its absolutely trolling. by any definition of the term Its exactly the same thing as a diving seal medica 2 as the tank approaches mobs or anything purposely done to disrupt the party or another party member for the sake of "luls"

[Voormund]

Doesnt change the fact its a crutch for "speedkilling".

What does that even mean? Are you actually mad that there's an ability that makes killing bosses quicker when used properly?

[Galgarion]

Guys, come on. Don't shirk the dps. Even if they're creeps. Be bigger. Be better. We're the heroes.

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Unless, obviously, it's really funny. Law of surprise and all.

[Kabooa]

Guys, come on. Don't shirk the dps. Even if they're creeps. Be bigger. Be better. We're the heroes.

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Unless, obviously, it's really funny. Law of surprise and all.

My tank and healer friends, man. "Friends."

I get "Rescued" to my detriment so many times.

You would THINK that a game that so closely follows the WoW Formula would realize what a mistake lifegrip was to add to their game.

[ArianeEwah]

Um, in the past you just have to provoke and do your emnity combo (Provoke + savage blade/Halone) to get aggro MT does not need to stop attacking or withdraw their weapon at all...

The shirk being used here is to let the tank swaps not need to use their emnity combo but continue using their DPS combos thus increasing damage for both MT & ST.

Yes and no. You just said what I did. OT has to execute their enmity combo, and that was the problem.

Let's say OT is already in the middle of DPS combo: Can they get their enmity combo + provoke just in time before tank buster ends and MT gets auto attacked?
Should they cancel their DPS combo and start with the first rotation skill?
Please consider the fact that MT is still in tank stance thus still having increased enmity generation, yet necessary to mitigate incoming tank buster.
OR (as an example and what happened in many PUG farm groups) MT is doing their DPS combo, e.g. Zerk triple Fell Cleave and Holmgang'ing in A10S. Try to get aggro from boss then. It was nerve-racking without shirk.

I am not saying you couldn't manage in statics. This problem occurred in PUG nevertheless.

Doesnt change the fact its a crutch for "speedkilling". and what do you mean its not trolling, its abusing an ability to mess with a party member, Its absolutely trolling. by any definition of the term Its exactly the same thing as a diving seal medica 2 as the tank approaches mobs or anything purposely done to disrupt the party or another party member for the sake of "luls"

I have the feeling this whole "shirk" incident happened to you.
Nobody said its the right thing to do! It's not. (Heck, I don't even equip shirk when I run a dungeon, better take an additional mitigation skill.)
YET neither is calling someone names. And that is what this BLM did.
Nobody in this story were right.

[Dalmacus]

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I don't play on NA/EU so our culture has differences. Usually when people provokes here, macro with sound is being played the tank that is going to be swapped will shirk to the incoming tank. (MT Shirk >ST) So i don't see any issues with this.

[ArianeEwah]

Actually, I don't use provoke macros. Macros tend to skip your ability, yet playing the sound/text in chat.

I don't disagree with you. I just pointed out that it was nerve-racking without shirk to tank swap if MT still attacked, as they still had increased enmity generation.

Just doing enmity combo wasn't always enough, except you could predict the tank buster by a few seconds. DPS was so variable, it was almost impossible to tell if you skipped tank buster mechanic or not. And you didn't want to waste an enmity combo for nothing (esp. PLD and DRK).

[ADVSS]

I have the feeling this whole "shirk" incident happened to you.
Nobody said its the right thing to do! It's not. (Heck, I don't even equip shirk when I run a dungeon, better take an additional mitigation skill.)
YET neither is calling someone names. And that is what this BLM did.
Nobody in this story were right.

Actually, no it never has, not to my knowledge. I use lucid dreaming if Im approiaching, or have hate, so it often goes back to the tank anyway.

I know how to abuse and manipulate hate very well. So even if the tank tried, I'd exploit it. As you stated its just plain dumb. But I blame SE more than the tanks that use it however they want. Like I said, an enmity steal move wouldve been better. Shirk definitely shouldve beena dps cross role skill imo.

Holy cow is this short-sighted. Like others have already pointed, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. A tank in 8man content without shirk on their hotbar is a sad thing indeed.

You jump potion bro? Cause obviously clearing content was impossible without shirk before right?