Shirk is amazing. (Ethics)

[ADVSS]

I have the feeling this whole "shirk" incident happened to you.
Nobody said its the right thing to do! It's not. (Heck, I don't even equip shirk when I run a dungeon, better take an additional mitigation skill.)
YET neither is calling someone names. And that is what this BLM did.
Nobody in this story were right.

Actually, no it never has, not to my knowledge. I use lucid dreaming if Im approiaching, or have hate, so it often goes back to the tank anyway.

I know how to abuse and manipulate hate very well. So even if the tank tried, I'd exploit it. As you stated its just plain dumb. But I blame SE more than the tanks that use it however they want. Like I said, an enmity steal move wouldve been better. Shirk definitely shouldve beena dps cross role skill imo.

Holy cow is this short-sighted. Like others have already pointed, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. A tank in 8man content without shirk on their hotbar is a sad thing indeed.

You jump potion bro? Cause obviously clearing content was impossible without shirk before right?

[SpookyGhost]

You jump potion bro? Cause obviously clearing content was impossible without shirk before right?

Yes, it was possible to clear content before Shirk.

However, if you take a look at all 3 tanks' aggro combos, you'll see that they're all a DPS loss (Butcher's Block is a potency gain vs SP, but you lose 10 gauge which makes it a loss). So how do we avoid doing those aggro combos as much as possible? By getting as much aggro as we can from elsewhere. In 3.X (and 4.X) this was from NIN and allowed for the most efficient speedkills. Now we have Shirk, which with a proper swap will gain you a ton of free aggro.

Basically, taking Shirk and using it properly is a pretty big DPS gain and when the goal is to kill the boss that tends to be a pretty important thing. Plus there really isn't anything to take in place of it (Rampart/Provoke/Reprisal/Conva/Shirk should be your go-to for 8man stuff, swapping Shirk for Awareness in dungeons).

how does one use shirk. Just wondering i never had a issue before with tank swaps but from what im reading up on and hearing it sounds interesting. And also how does one macro it?

OT vokes -> MT Shirks OT -> MT vokes -> OT shirks MT. That's for the Shirklejerk, but that's how it works anyway (OT vokes -> MT shirks).

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4282644 <- Shirk macro

[Axxion]

Yes, it was possible to clear content before Shirk.

However, if you take a look at all 3 tanks' aggro combos, you'll see that they're all a DPS loss (Butcher's Block is a potency gain vs SP, but you lose 10 gauge which makes it a loss). So how do we avoid doing those aggro combos as much as possible? By getting as much aggro as we can from elsewhere. In 3.X (and 4.X) this was from NIN and allowed for the most efficient speedkills. Now we have Shirk, which with a proper swap will gain you a ton of free aggro.

Basically, taking Shirk and using it properly is a pretty big DPS gain and when the goal is to kill the boss that tends to be a pretty important thing. Plus there really isn't anything to take in place of it (Rampart/Provoke/Reprisal/Conva/Shirk should be your go-to for 8man stuff, swapping Shirk for Awareness in dungeons).


OT vokes -> MT Shirks OT -> MT vokes -> OT shirks MT. That's for the Shirklejerk, but that's how it works anyway (OT vokes -> MT shirks).

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4282644 <- Shirk macro

Thanks very much

[Dement]

You jump potion bro? Cause obviously clearing content was impossible without shirk before right?

Doubling down on a poor opinion with insults. Bravo.

Of course swaps and clearing was possible before Shirk but that doesn't negate its usefulness. While I admit that it's rare, I've seen plenty of botched tank swaps that can occur for a large variety of reasons. If you haven't been a part of a botched tank swap then you probably haven't tanked enough to claim that shirk is useless. Shirk makes swaps much smoother no matter how you dice it and has the additional benefit of adding huge amounts to enmity as the tanks swap and shirk one another be that in an organic fashion or if they force it to build a massive enmity lead.

I disagree that shirk should be a part of the DPS role kit as the ability to troll the party and specifically troll the tanks doesn't need to be given to 4 different players in each 8 man content, since that's the gripe right? The ability to troll players? All a salty DPS would have to do is wait for a swap and then do a massive dump of enmity back onto the original MT. People were rightfully concerned when NIN was given the ability, let alone giving it to every DPS in the game.