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    Quote Originally Posted by ADVSS View Post
    Most healers that dont touch tanks probably didnt know throwing medica 2 on the party right as the tank was nearing the group of mobs was why they all started chasing that healer as well. Until they were told.
    Or that Medica 2 spam on a large group of party members can also tear aggro off a Tank pretty easily.

    I think I'm still traumatized on some level by the number of healers who did this on Titan Hard and Extreme. Even more so by the number who were told WHY the Tank lost aggro, then proceeded to blame the Tank for it regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkoz View Post
    Or that Medica 2 spam on a large group of party members can also tear aggro off a Tank pretty easily.

    I think I'm still traumatized on some level by the number of healers who did this on Titan Hard and Extreme. Even more so by the number who were told WHY the Tank lost aggro, then proceeded to blame the Tank for it regardless.
    As long as the tank is well geared, knows job rotations, it shouldn't. It's rare that Medica 2 Spam takes enmity even in large groups settings. It's more of the way tanks use their aoes and manage hate bars. If in a Single mob fight let Tank build enmity a bit first. Hopefully he isn't under geared. If they are they are actions to lower enmity generation which healers and even some DPS should know how top use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManuelBravo View Post
    As long as the tank is well geared, knows job rotations, it shouldn't. It's rare that Medica 2 Spam takes enmity even in large groups settings.
    It does, and it's not rare whatsoever, especially when a healer overheals, and continues to overheal, the entire party with Medica 2 spam, mostly because of the constant reapplication of its Regen effect. It generates a LOT of healer aggro and there's little Tanks were able to do to stop this, even if they had a large aggro lead beforehand and were spamming nothing but their enmity combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkoz View Post
    It does, and it's not rare whatsoever, especially when a healer overheals, and continues to overheal, the entire party with Medica 2 spam, mostly because of the constant reapplication of its Regen effect. It generates a LOT of healer aggro and there's little Tanks were able to do to stop this, even if they had a large aggro lead beforehand and were spamming nothing but their enmity combo.
    Not if you tank in tank stance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuakurei View Post
    Not if you tank in tank stance.
    t. Never did Titan Hard or EX back in 2.x :^)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkoz View Post
    t. Never did Titan Hard or EX back in 2.x :^)
    I'm not sure I understand your comment... Is that the inclination to spam Medica to heal raid damage in Titan HM/EX would take aggro from a tank even in tank stance? Or are you saying that tanks didn't tank in tank stance for Titan HM/EX? Because I'm pretty sure both are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuakurei View Post
    I'm not sure I understand your comment... Is that the inclination to spam Medica to heal raid damage in Titan HM/EX would take aggro from a tank even in tank stance? Or are you saying that tanks didn't tank in tank stance for Titan HM/EX? Because I'm pretty sure both are wrong.
    So, back in 2.0, the only Tank that had a "DPS stance" was Paladin, via Sword Oath, and Warriors had nothing more than Defiance in terms of having a "stance" whatsoever, which is already their Tank stance. Dark Knight did not exist back in 2.0 either, so these were the only two Tanks in the game, and, thus, Tanking outside of Tank stance in 50+ content was almost never a thing, at least not to my knowledge.

    Your first question is the correct analysis of the situation, although you seem to be mistaking Medica and Medica 2 with one another. Medica was perfectly fine to spam as a group heal. Medica 2, on the other hand, was not, as spamming the skill to heal partywide damage had a tendency to generate ridiculous amounts of Healer enmity on account of it not only providing an AoE heal to the entire party (with the correct positioning on the White Mage and the rest of the party's respective parts) but also on account of the fact that spamming it constantly reapplied the Regen effect on top of it, which, when the party is already topped off and is only losing just slivers of health to, say, Titan's raidwide damaging, consecutive stomps, caused a significant spike of overhealing, or so the game thinks, which caused the Healer who was spamming Medica 2 to tear enmity off of the Main Tank quite easily, even if the Main Tank did nothing BUT their enmity combo, and/or Provoke'd Titan back onto themselves and tried to secure their own enmity generation with another combo.

    If you had played either Paladin or Warrior back during this time and were quite experienced with tanking Titan Hard mode or Extreme mode (although in my experience, it tended to happen more frequently with Hard than it did Extreme, since EX used to be a massive skill wall back then for the playerbase), then chances are likely you might've ran into this exact problem sooner or later.
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