Tanks that think they are DPS, just stop...

[KalinOrthos]

Oh, I'm not saying we shouldn't play efficiently. Maximizing our DPS should definitely be a consideration as you gear, and if a tank can get away with using Slaying accessories, more power to them. I just resent the idea that I'm seeing, more and more, that using Vit accessories makes one a bad tank, when it really doesn't.

[Nowakii]

Oh, I'm not saying we shouldn't play efficiently. Maximizing our DPS should definitely be a consideration as you gear, and if a tank can get away with using Slaying accessories, more power to them. I just resent the idea that I'm seeing, more and more, that using Vit accessories makes one a bad tank, when it really doesn't.

Im not complaining about anyone using Anything, im just saying using STR doesnt make a tank bad as the OP (and many other people) is stating, also i like to state that VIT is such a meaningless stat once you have enough, so the solution is not "use i270 for ever" but "SE please AT LEAST add str to Tanks accesories."

This is like "healer should/shouldnt dps" all over again, saying that "the more Vit the better cuz healers will be less stressed" (wich is not entirely true since 90% of the time im going to precast my heals/have an isnta heal ready on a tank buster), witht that same logic healers should not dps, because the most MP they have to spare the better, right? i mean its safer to sit at 20kMp than sitting on 8k because i can crazy heal if i feel like.

Nah, if I was only thinking about myself I'd go full slaying and yell "HEALERS ADJUST" into my microphone instead of being a team player and ensuring the content is cleared. Full STR is only for tanks that care less about surviving and more about their parses because "MUH DEEPS".

As long as they survive enough for me to cast my heals, i dont mind finishing a dungeon faster.

Once again, im not saying having VIT at all is bad, im saying over doing it is pointless (not bad)....
Having Enough VIT with more Dmg = Killing things faster AND surviving everything (including tank busters) while using mitigation skills.
Overdoing VIT= Surviving everything (including tank busters) while using mitigation skills.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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Who's talking about dungeons? I'm talking about going into Savage/Extremes with 33k or less HP because the meta says to shed all Vit, go pure STR, and yell "HEALERS ADJUST".

[Nowakii]

When you think about yourself, and only yourself, you are going to be like "uhh ! vit is gud ! i can survive 2 tank buster in a row !! " wow congrats but, is there any point on that? like after a tank buster healers will ... you know, heal you ?, and as i said 123123 times, My Bene restores the same amount of HP to a tank with 30k and one with 50k, my shield will mitigate the same amount too, WHM Divine Ben is a different thing, but being tied to lilies, is that even a thing?, The darkest night can actually be the only skill that makes over Vit Any usefull, Enough vit is enough, more than enough is a waste.

[KalinOrthos]

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But that goes both ways. No matter what, the healers are going to have to heal you up the same amount regardless. Having extra vit is more margin for error, ensures that you can handle more and more on your own without having the healers panic heal you from a tank buster. If the onus is on the tanks having a DPS trinket or two in order to down a boss, there are more problems with your static than a slightly lower damage tank.

We don't HAVE to be cutting edge 100% of the time. Sometimes it's better to prioritize personal safety if it means staying alive longer to keep the DPS alive longer.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

When you think about yourself, and only yourself, you are going to be like

Nah, if I was only thinking about myself I'd go full slaying and yell "HEALERS ADJUST" into my microphone instead of being a team player and ensuring the content is cleared. Full STR is only for tanks that care less about surviving and more about their parses because "MUH DEEPS".

[Mnemosynia]

DPS classes expriencing 30mins queue's comes to forums to vent and find out why his queue's are so long. DPS finds out tanks are quiting due to massive damage nerf, said dps say your job is to tank and nothing more. Tank community explains that isn't it only, NO YOU SHOULDN'T wear slaying gear dps says. His queue becomes 35mins, you dps coming to the tank forums to piss of even more tanks only hurt your role, which is the easiet role in the game to play (which is why most people play it). Most mechanics in game are done by tanks.

Looks just look at HW for not most the people here did not play ARR.
Sephirot EX Tanks had to do the mechanics.
Sophia EX Tanks again had to do most the mechanics.
Zuvuran equal share of responsibility.

Gordias what did dps have to worry about that no other class had to?
Midas Had more tank mech then dps.
Alexanderian yep that was a tank raid nuff said.

Void Ark
Weeping City
Dunscaith
All about equal on the mech front for all roles.

Minstrels Ballads
Ultima Tank mech the game
Thoradin Tank Mech the game
Nidhogg eveyone shared mechs about the same



What tank classes are responsible for, avoid tank busters and AOE dps just need to avoid aoe, responsible for the raid living and dying you miss that buster on alexander 4-5 people are dying you miss that aoe on alexander you just cost the healers mana who responsible for far more then what dps is responsible for, i would like to go on but in the wish to not make a wall of text ill stop there if you want more context i would be happy to oblige. Yes i played roles to the end game of HW and finished it and i had to worry about way less on my dps then anything else.

Final point to my dps posters i ask you this, this may not apply to you but its a general thing i have noticed.

When was the last time your saw these things.
Shadewalkers from ninja's
Smoke bombs from ninja's
Mantras from monks
Apoth of black mages
Virus's from SMN's before busters or heavy aoes
Mana song from a bard with the healer having to beg
The mana thingy from Machinist

Now you can say oh well tanks aren't stance dancing so its apparent in all classes but if your argument is that A tanks job is to tank and you don't help that said tank or healers with your various utility tools while your in defense if your role overwhelmingly under-performing in there role in general make you guys sound like morons in general.

[Nowakii]

I think depsite of you being a healer, a tank or a dps, the any class should be having fun while playing that class.... i play healer because i like multi-tasking, dpsing while keeping people alive, i also play DPS when i dont want to babysit people, because i like to maximise my dmg.... Tanks play tanks because they like to be in the front line and mitigate damage but also DPSing, if the tanks themselves are nto having fun because of their dmg being too low, do you think the right solution is just go and yell at them "GET OVER IT AND KEEP TANKING SO I CAN KEEP DOING MY DPS STUFF! " well, longer Ques for you then.

[Tufelhunden]

I think depsite of you being a healer, a tank or a dps, the any class should be having fun while playing that class.... i play healer because i like multi-tasking, dpsing while keeping people alive, i also play DPS when i dont want to babysit people, because i like to maximise my dmg.... Tanks play tanks because they like to be in the front line and mitigate damage but also DPSing, if the tanks themselves are nto having fun because of their dmg being too low, do you think the right solution is just go and yell at them "GET OVER IT AND KEEP TANKING SO I CAN KEEP DOING MY DPS STUFF! " well, longer Ques for you then.

This is it in a nut shell. I enjoy learning the fights and doing what i can to make sure everyone survives. However, i also wish to maximize my tank DPS to help as well. If i want to go brain dead i just DPS and only worry about myself.

[BlackironTarkus]

I think depsite of you being a healer, a tank or a dps, the any class should be having fun while playing that class.... i play healer because i like multi-tasking, dpsing while keeping people alive, i also play DPS when i dont want to babysit people, because i like to maximise my dmg.... Tanks play tanks because they like to be in the front line and mitigate damage but also DPSing, if the tanks themselves are nto having fun because of their dmg being too low, do you think the right solution is just go and yell at them "GET OVER IT AND KEEP TANKING SO I CAN KEEP DOING MY DPS STUFF! " well, longer Ques for you then.

Yeah you really hit the nail in the head. For me and I think a lot of us, the power fantasy of playing a tank isn't about being an immovable wall (it somewhat is) but also being in the middle of the cluster fuck and throwing down with entire groups or with big bosses as equals. That we should be threatening enough that the things feel like their only hope is taking us down first but we're really acting as the wall for our more threatening but squishier friends to do their work.