Tanks that think they are DPS, just stop...

[CaedemSanguis]

As a tank, im better dps that maybe 30% dps in duty finder
Full Strength Power !

[Yorumi]

Basically, make the game like one never ending Sastasha run where enmity is concerned and the "problem" is solved. Leave everything as is except for two tings - make heals generate more enmity and make tank abilities generate less enmity. Done. Now the game is fun?

FF14's design is not necessarily wrong. It's just a different way of doing things. I was mainly pointing out how the "I hold hate" crowd is lazy. In other MMOs you don't hold hate doing what they do. So in other mmos you optimize your rotation and such to maximize enmity, using every gcd to that end. If you don't you lose hate so easily, as is the case in ff14 you instead use the remainder of your gcds maximizing dps. In both designs a tank should be expected to optimize ever gcd. In the former though if they are lazy they lose hate, in the later they don't, which sadly allows some to promote laziness.

[SargentToughie]

People would do anything to avoid taking responsibilities. Little do they know, DPS role responsibilities are way higher than tank ones

From somebody who's played and cleared savage content as both a DPS and a tank at the time of it being current, I can absolutely assure you that the "responsibility" of tanking has absolutely nothing to do with why I, and a lot of other veteran tanks, have dropped the role.

Trying to optimize tank play is a hollow, unfulfilling, unfun task. I can maximize my cooldowns, do hero pulls, hexacleave, know exactly when and where to act... And yet I still feel like I'm being more valuable when I'm just cranking out as much hate as possible on either Samurai or Monk.

[Kuwagami]

And yet I still feel like I'm being more valuable when I'm just cranking out as much hate as possible on either Samurai or Monk.

Because the tanking role isn't one where you are useful to your group by destroying your enemy's HP bar. You're useful by maintaining hate and synergyzing with your healer to not die. Once those 2 points are done, your job as a tank is done, and you can optimize further by pushing out dps where you can to help your group on top of your tank duty.

If you do not find fun or fulfillment in being a tank in 4.0, I do wonder where you found any of those until now. Because the job hasn't changed one bit ever since early 2.0. Tank and Spank shit, spank harder if the tanking part is only making up for 10% of your attention.

With that said, I'd like to add that optimizing tank play is actually way more fun and fulfilling than optimizing DPS. Because optimizing tank requires to live-adapt to each and every group and encounter you'll meet. Whereas optimizing DPs roles is just forging your muscle memory and repeating the same mundane rotation ad nauseam with little to no variation to adapt to mechanics. Where is the fun in that? I will never know.

[Gravton]

Because the tanking role isn't one where you are useful to your group by destroying your enemy's HP bar. You're useful by maintaining hate and synergyzing with your healer to not die. Once those 2 points are done, your job as a tank is done, and you can optimize further by pushing out dps where you can to help your group on top of your tank duty.

You know that tanking isn't all the difficult and that your talking to mostly other tanks right? Maintain hate? Shirk. Next. Synergyzie with healer? CD when you see the boss's casty bar. Now that my 10 sec of responsibility are done what's left? Dps......"TANKS ARE NOT DPS!"

[Kuwagami]

You're mixing up 2 different subjects and I already said (2 pages earlier) that said subject didn't matter to me anymore. Next time, just try not to confuse "optimizing dps as a tank" and "going out of your way and out of intended design to gain more dps".

And I may argue that people who stop tanking because their dps gets nerfed weren't made for tanking in the first place, but I'd get flamed just like I got flamed the other billion times that subject came up so I won't bother. Opinions are what they are, and on these forums, criticizing people going against the game design is the easiest way to get flamed

Would you say if a dps is doing their 1,2,3 combo and hitting cooldowns their job is done? No, people would be calling them a lazy terrible dps. So why the double standard for tanks?

way to ignore the second part of the sentence

[Yorumi]

You're useful by maintaining hate and synergyzing with your healer to not die. Once those 2 points are done, your job as a tank is done

Would you say if a dps is doing their 1,2,3 combo and hitting cooldowns their job is done? No, people would be calling them a lazy terrible dps. So why the double standard for tanks?

[Gravton]

Oh yeah I saw that on page 9....but then you made 5 comments since then. If you don't care then why are you still commenting? Tanks that where full str for all content are trash, just like tanks that where full vit. A good tank knows how to mix vit to str to max the possible damage they can achieve while staying alive. Our dps scales off str and equipping str accs. helps maximize our dps. If you are not wearing any str then you are not doing your maximum damage. Also, your right, you would get flammed for making comments about a higher calling to tank....in a video game. It's a good thing you didn't make that argument =)

[Yorumi]

way to ignore the second part of the sentence

No I actually didn't ignore it at all, you just didn't grasp the point. Essentially what you said is anything beyond a tank's 1,2,3 combo and cooldowns is just extra and not part of their job. For a dps anything short of using all their gcd's to maximize dps is considered bad. I would say the job of any class is to maximize gcd's for best performance. You wouldn't say the job of a dps is done if he's hitting his 1,2,3 combo with cooldowns, yet you said exactly that about tanks and implied that dpsing after that is optional and extra. So why the double standard?

[KMFDM_Kid2000]

Urgh, no. the LAST thing we need is new players in DF with full STR accessories as tanks. Please don't. Actually, please don't even do that in DF even if you're pro. save that for competent groups, aka your own friends/static

I'd love for you to point out where I said newbies should wear all STR accessories in the duty finder. Go on, I'll wait. In the mean time, learn what this is.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/false_dichotomy