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  1. #11
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    Marxam's Avatar
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    Blackiron Tarkus
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    Leviathan
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    I think the real question here is what will that enmity scale with? Is it tied to VIT? Flat value that increases with ilvl? Combination of VIT and STR? Adding more enmity is good but its a shame that Overpower was the only aoe to get the treatment. Would have liked to see Steel Cyclone get the same love since it costs 50 gauge to use.
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  2. #12
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    Sunako Kirishiki
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tankstuff View Post
    Just revealing yourself as a garbage dps if you let any tank pull 80% of your dps. Theres more issues than just the dps with war/drk right now, but you seem just as ignorant as se so no point writing an essay for you.
    There is actually 3.6k paladin parse from fflogs 3.4k without balance. So if you dont do 4300 with dps without balance and 4500+ with balance you are garbage dps? I wonder how there is so many garbage dps players in fflogs that can not reach that.
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  3. #13
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    Sol Darkwater
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    Lamia
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    Miner Lv 60
    Tanks should do 70%-80% or so of the dps of a normal dps. That is how it is in most games in fact. No one wants to be doing 50% of a dps damage and just be a giant punching back. That is how you get to a point where people don't want to play tanks.

    But the issue is not the amount of damage tanks are doing but their solution for it. Tanks already have fewer forms of potency to unload damage than dps do, that is naturally how you control how much damage a tank does. Add in 20% penalty in tank stances and you have plenty of ways to reduce their overall potential. But when you straight up say 'your right side wont help your damage at all' then you have a expansion long issue of scaling that will only get worse over time.

    Its stupid.
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  4. #14
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    Scarlett Dzian
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    Sargatanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade View Post
    SE, seriously, you add anymore aggro to flash and I'm going to be able to use it once then afk for the rest of the pull.
    Without meaning to sound offensive I am really beginning to wonder what dps players these tank people get in there parties when they can say they don't have any enmity problems at all.

    I've sometimes found my self flashing and scorning entire pulls (in shield oath) till I literally have no mp left only to see half the pull go yellow 2 seconds later after I run out of mp.

    Mathematically it's impossible for a pld to generate more enmity in a large pull than endless flash and scorn spam in shield oath. because they are our biggest aoe eminty gains. If I even think about using total eclipse (more damage less enmity) then oh no there goes the pull over there smacking the dps..... and they're dead.....
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    Last edited by Dzian; 07-05-2017 at 01:53 AM.

  5. #15
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    Baci Asciar
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    Zodiark
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    There is actually 3.6k paladin parse from fflogs 3.4k without balance. So if you dont do 4300 with dps without balance and 4500+ with balance you are garbage dps? I wonder how there is so many garbage dps players in fflogs that can not reach that.
    Yeah cause that one tank that got pushed beyond everything is the measurement for everything.
    Is today be as stupid as you can be on the forum day or what
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  6. #16
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    Hazel Korhonen
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 80
    I'll just quote myself...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fernosaur View Post
    The enmity changes are for low level content. That's the reason only Savage Blade, Skull Sunder and Spnning Slash got enmity buffs, bc once you get the third step in the enmity combo you stop having enmity problems in single target in stuff like Totorak and Tam-Tara. Right now, Red Mages are giving low-level tanks a headache. It's a good change.

    Same applies to Flash, Overpower and Unleash. This is also probably why Unleash got a buff but Abyssal Drain didn't. The changes aren't for endgame, they're just fixes for QoL, much like the Troubadour change.

    IDK about Bhavacakra tho, but it's welcome.
    Quote Originally Posted by Baci View Post
    Is today be as stupid as you can be on the forum day or what
    Stay here for long enough and you'll realize every day is that day lmao.
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  7. #17
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    Kane Blackstone
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    Ultros
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fernosaur View Post
    I'll just quote myself...





    Stay here for long enough and you'll realize every day is that day lmao.
    The unleash nerf by 50% is such a headscratching change too.

    Whenever I am rouletting (gotta get that mount) it makes l50 sync and below content......painful.
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  8. #18
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    Atabey Guabancex
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    I wish Overpower just didn't break combos (; _ ; )
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  9. #19
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    Hazel Korhonen
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Falar View Post
    The unleash nerf by 50% is such a headscratching change too.

    Whenever I am rouletting (gotta get that mount) it makes l50 sync and below content......painful.
    Yeah, I agree. Though it's technically "in line" with the rest of the AoE nerfs the other jobs suffered, particularly in low level. SCH and SMN were some of the first jobs to get powerful AoE with Bane, and look where that got them, lmao. I think it's evident by now that SE really hates speedruns in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    In 3.x, Cover was useless and everyone wanted a gap closer. In 4.x, gap closers are useless and everyone wants Cover.

  10. #20
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    Sathaerz Leitalihtwyn
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    Cactuar
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Ogulbuk View Post
    I wish Overpower just didn't break combos (; _ ; )
    This may be one of the biggest things I miss about Flash.
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