BLM needs some love and RDM needs a nerf

[Kacho_Nacho]

BLM is less than 100 DPS below RDM in Susano. It beats SMN by 200 DPS.
BLM is 200 DPS below RDM in Lakshmi. It beats SMN by 100 DPS.
So, on average, BLM is 150 DPS in between RDM and SMN regarding caster DPS. While it's not "the best", it's still completely viable. SMN, on the other hand, is not.

SAM is completely overpowered, don't compare BLM to it. In fact, don't compare anything to it. SAM is in its own category.

Though I do agree that RDM grants too much DPS for the skill floor and ceiling it has, while also having very potent healing abilities and raise. It's also a job which doesn't punish failure that much.
Tuning it down a bit is all the caster balance needs. SMN needs quite a buff too. But BLM is probably at the right spot already.

I love red mage. It is a fun job and a pretty easy one too.

And I agree with everything you wrote regarding them.

Due to the fun being in the mechanics, doing appropriately less damage would not affect my enjoyment of the job. It would also be fair to the more complex jobs too.

But, for the life of me, I cannot come up with a damage dealer ranking without wanting to change it a few minutes later.

Gah! How do the devs do it? By complexity? By utility?

If you were the person doing the nerfs and buffs, what would be your damage dealer rankings?

[Maero]

Seems like most content is set to mess blms over, sure as we learn fights it becomes less issue but blm is the one punished the most by mechanics.
Myself i am sort of just playing Red Mage now as main for the time being, it is very easy job, fairly high output and i enjoy it.
Also i like being to help out my raising people if needed, makes me feel more useful then when i was playing blm

With this said i do feel they should not nerf Red Mage but buff both blm and smn

[Furious]

You can't have one class with the same capability as the other classes in their role, who also has access to instant casts on atleast every second spell, high potency cure, instant raise, and a damage buff for all melee and ranged classes, without the other classes in that same category having atleast equal utility.

It's totally illogical, I don't even know how there can be a 6 page thread about it unless it's a cacophany of people agreeing with each other.

The class has more damage, more mobility, more utility, more survivability, and less punishment for screwing up. I play neither and have a vested interested in none of the ranged (magic) damage classes. The situation between rdm, blm and smn is untenable and ridiculous. Even if you accept only 2 or 3 of the above 5 areas are out of balance, that's still an extraordinary imbalance that renders leveling blackmage a waste of time, where even if you are playing it because you enjoy it, you are doing so at the cost of being a detriment to your group.

[Alkel]

I play BLM main job since 2.0 and i must say... im kinda tired of it when i see how RDM faceroll every single mechanics while BLM is punished on a constant basis.

Lets face it, BLM has no group utility while RDM can buff, heal, raise and deal more DPS.

i dont get it anymore, there is no reward trying to master a job like BLM, its harder to play for no reward at the end.

The problem with RNG server ticks for MP regen is also a killer when we are supposed to cast 6 FireIV.

[Xiozen]

I'm a MCH refugee who's gone back to BLMing up the EX primals all weekend. BLM is great, I love it. RDM and BLM are just different strokes.

THIS! This thread... lots'a and I mean, lots'a QQ'ing... not sure what game you guys are playing but SMN is in a GREAT place as dps...lovin' it... now just pulled out my BLM to get it level'd up and lovin' the changes so far... both jobs now play differently than before; SMN changes/revisions took some getting use to but WOW... RDM is "nice" but not even close to the SUMMONER! too much QQ'ing.. here.

[MiruWest]

Taking a look at FFLogs without balance, on Lakshmi it seems RDM,SAM,BLM are pretty close in terms of damage which is kinda.....wrong? Then looking at Susano SAM gaps grows quite a bit but then looking at RDM and BLM the RDM is still ahead but slightly. It sucks to have no utility and get beating by the guy with bonkers utility even tho its a small lead in dps.

Granted we dont know how Omega fights will be so going off current content and trying to base that on what needs to be nerfed or buffed would be silly.

[Jonnycbad]

BLM is pulling more DPS than RDM according to FFlogs, so actually we should nerf BLM and their 32k Fouls.

[Alkel]

BLM is pulling more DPS than RDM according to FFlogs, so actually we should nerf BLM and their 32k Fouls.

No its not:

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15/#boss=1036
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15/#boss=1037

[sylvestew]

People really need to stop with the nerf talk. How about we wait until savage or give it longer then a month to complain. The 2 EX Primals are very easy, but movement heavy so yeah BLMs are gonna be hurt dps wise.

[Ferrasper]

where even if you are playing it because you enjoy it, you are doing so at the cost of being a detriment to your group.

I hate saying this argument, but in this case it is true. The group doesn't pay my sub, so if I am playing something I don't enjoy. I would rather stop playing the game. My enjoyment of the game is in no way connected to what the group wants because I am not that mentally weak. If a group wants me to play something different, I will just tell them to kiss my metal shiny ass and leave them where they are.