BLM needs some love and RDM needs a nerf

[Psycofang]

How could a potency buff EVER be considered unhelpful?

When all they did back in arr to a little past hw was give it minor potency buffs blm still got benched and generally out done by smn.

The buffs to potency didnt help, speed wouldve allowed it to scale better (up to a point).

[NovaLevossida]

How could a potency buff EVER be considered unhelpful?

Potency buffs are practically the purest form of helping a class out lol.

Half the fun is seeing what Foul hits for anyway.

[Grelvin]

I don't really even have the words...

I do actually, but I am going to leave em at the door to the MCH, SMN, DRG, MNK, WAR - forums.

[Greedalox]

When all they did back in arr to a little past hw was give it minor potency buffs blm still got benched and generally out done by smn.

The buffs to potency didnt help, speed wouldve allowed it to scale better (up to a point).

But did BLM hit harder- therefore closing the gap between them and SMN? Yes. All it means is that if SE planned to balance the 2 with potencies then they simply do enough not that it didn't help.

[Psycofang]

Blm hit harder yet never hit hard enough or frequent enough.
Thats why the class got stomped. Thats why it struggled.
Thats why the potency buffs didnt help because it was still behind regardless.

Speed wouldve made a miles difference as it directly combats BLMs biggest weakness, other classes sure pps buffs are nice but BLM is not affected by small end of math potency buffs like other classes.

For potency buffs to help blm itd have to be substantial not 10s or 20s. Damage has always been fine on BLM the thing we've always wolved for was speed.

Speed scales better on blm than minor potency buffs.

[Psycofang]

Blm hit harder yet never hit hard enough or frequent enough thats why it didnt help

Thats why the class got stomped. Thats why it struggled.
Thats why the potency buffs didnt help because it was still behind regardless.

Speed wouldve made a miles difference as it directly combats BLMs biggest weakness, other classes sure pps buffs are nice but BLM is not affected by small end of math potency buffs like other classes.

For potency buffs to help blm itd have to be substantial not 10s or 20s. Damage has always been fine on BLM the thing we've always wolved for was speed.

Speed scales better on blm than minor potency buffs.

[Greedalox]

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I feel like it's a semantic issue we're having. I feel like BLM doing 100 and going to 200 is helping- even if SMN did 250. You don't have to be a high contender for optimal placement in a raid group to appreciate a damage buff.

See- it's like MCH right now. We'd appreciate a damage buff right about now even if BRD was still always taken.

[Psycofang]

Im saying the point is closing the gap doesnt help its design if it cannot meet what its designed to do.

100 to 200 is fine for a class not completely egg in basket for dps and only dps (0 utility). But if another class that has both dps and relatively close to or surpasses the prior in practical application then the buff did not help.

It becomes a mathematical loss to even use the job in any practical setting, its not about raid spots but proper balance. The same concept is currently occurring on the average scale


Its like pushing 2 more O2 into someone with an o2 of 60, yeah its higher now but theyre still going to die.

[Greedalox]

Im saying the point is closing the gap doesnt help its design if it cannot meet what its designed to do.

There's never been a time where a class hasn't been able to clear content after cutting edge world progression (That's its own beast) except maybe the launch of AST and Savage- all classes have always been able to do what they were designed to do. A Black Mage with buffed potencies will still get more damage out on the casts that they do get out- even if more speed/mobility would mean more casts overall.

As they say, there's more than one way to skin a cat. If a summoner was better at killing something that doesn't mean Black Mage couldn't as well- and wouldn't mind the extra oomph.

Edit: Sidenote- a lot of what you're saying is also banking on the idea that BLM won't find raid groups if SMN were to be stronger. This isn't true. Seeing as all classes have seen raid progression and completion in the past, it's safe to say that there is a world beyond the best.

[KilimYolo]

while i'm a noob at all of this, RDM does feel kinda easy. Really want that BLM challange would be properly rewarded.
But they are comming up with patch 4.0.1 and many more will follow. Who knows, perhaps they will make some balance adjustments.
They havnt released a single patch yet after the release.