BLM needs some love and RDM needs a nerf

[KilimYolo]

while i'm a noob at all of this, RDM does feel kinda easy. Really want that BLM challange would be properly rewarded.
But they are comming up with patch 4.0.1 and many more will follow. Who knows, perhaps they will make some balance adjustments.
They havnt released a single patch yet after the release.

[Maero]

Seems like most content is set to mess blms over, sure as we learn fights it becomes less issue but blm is the one punished the most by mechanics.
Myself i am sort of just playing Red Mage now as main for the time being, it is very easy job, fairly high output and i enjoy it.
Also i like being to help out my raising people if needed, makes me feel more useful then when i was playing blm

With this said i do feel they should not nerf Red Mage but buff both blm and smn

[Furious]

You can't have one class with the same capability as the other classes in their role, who also has access to instant casts on atleast every second spell, high potency cure, instant raise, and a damage buff for all melee and ranged classes, without the other classes in that same category having atleast equal utility.

It's totally illogical, I don't even know how there can be a 6 page thread about it unless it's a cacophany of people agreeing with each other.

The class has more damage, more mobility, more utility, more survivability, and less punishment for screwing up. I play neither and have a vested interested in none of the ranged (magic) damage classes. The situation between rdm, blm and smn is untenable and ridiculous. Even if you accept only 2 or 3 of the above 5 areas are out of balance, that's still an extraordinary imbalance that renders leveling blackmage a waste of time, where even if you are playing it because you enjoy it, you are doing so at the cost of being a detriment to your group.

[Ferrasper]

where even if you are playing it because you enjoy it, you are doing so at the cost of being a detriment to your group.

I hate saying this argument, but in this case it is true. The group doesn't pay my sub, so if I am playing something I don't enjoy. I would rather stop playing the game. My enjoyment of the game is in no way connected to what the group wants because I am not that mentally weak. If a group wants me to play something different, I will just tell them to kiss my metal shiny ass and leave them where they are.

[Furious]

THIS! This thread... lots'a and I mean, lots'a QQ'ing... not sure what game you guys are playing but SMN is in a GREAT place as dps...lovin' it... now just pulled out my BLM to get it level'd up and lovin' the changes so far... both jobs now play differently than before; SMN changes/revisions took some getting use to but WOW... RDM is "nice" but not even close to the SUMMONER! too much QQ'ing.. here.

Even if all 3 do identical damage, RDM is massively superior thanks to every other mechanic. Whether or not you like how they play doesn't change the fact that RDM has instant cures and raise on every second cast available, which impacts mobility, survivability, and utility.

Taking a look at FFLogs without balance, on Lakshmi it seems RDM,SAM,BLM are pretty close in terms of damage which is kinda.....wrong? Then looking at Susano SAM gaps grows quite a bit but then looking at RDM and BLM the RDM is still ahead but slightly. It sucks to have no utility and get beating by the guy with bonkers utility even tho its a small lead in dps.

Granted we dont know how Omega fights will be so going off current content and trying to base that on what needs to be nerfed or buffed would be silly.

Because we are capable of logical extrapolation, and there is never going to be a scenario where low mobility or low utility are boons in their own rights.

People really need to stop with the nerf talk. How about we wait until savage or give it longer then a month to complain. The 2 EX Primals are very easy, but movement heavy so yeah BLMs are gonna be hurt dps wise.

Because waiting to talk about what we can already logically ascertain is stupid.

I hate saying this argument, but in this case it is true. The group doesn't pay my sub, so if I am playing something I don't enjoy. I would rather stop playing the game. My enjoyment of the game is in no way connected to what the group wants because I am not that mentally weak. If a group wants me to play something different, I will just tell them to kiss my metal shiny ass and leave them where they are.

Nobody can stop you. But you know, and they know, that you are a burden that you chose to inflict on them.

[Ferrasper]

Nobody can stop you. But you know, and they know, that you are a burden that you chose to inflict on them.

I shall become a burden that I inflict upon them then, and I shall get much enjoyment out of it because causing pain to pretentious assholes like that who think they have the power to control is always worth the time and energy. Especially if they suffer for it.

[Furious]

I shall become a burden that I inflict upon them then, and I shall get much enjoyment out of it because causing pain to pretentious assholes like that who think they have the power to control is always worth the time and energy. Especially if they suffer for it.

I rest my case?

[sylvestew]

I'm saying wait until Omega, because right now it seems that omega savage is not going to be that tough from the looks of it,so it isn't going to matter. Everyone here QQ'ing will still be able to clear it and if you can clear the content why is it a problem. Now if you say for World/server first situations that is different and even in that case most of the people complaining aren't on that pace. Also if a group doesn't have a caster in it and they only want a RDM i'm just going to assume that group or leader is BAD and if people cant clear OMEGA unless they have a rdm then yes the other casters should be buffed.

[MagiusNecros]

Then people will be saying wait until 5.0 lol

[Galvuu]

Now if you say for World/server first situations that is different and even in that case most of the people complaining aren't on that pace. Also if a group doesn't have a caster in it and they only want a RDM i'm just going to assume that group or leader is BAD.

This is a silly argument (no offense ). It always matters because of the effort and reward ratios. I can clear Dark Souls naked with a lightning reinforced club, but that's way harder than using proper gear. Playing a better job/comp has an inherent advantage. If the gap is very small then sure, yea, it doesn't mean much. But otherwise, you will feel noticeably weaker (think AST in 3.0). Plus, for many people, feeling powerful counts a lot. It's fun to feel powerful. Plus, you like being rewarded if you do well. And if someone gets a better reward for less effort, that frankly feels not-so-good x)