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  1. #21
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    Fyce's Avatar
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    Fyce Alvey
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    Cerberus
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Alisi View Post
    Why do you think every 60+ SMN is asking for a physick buff or sustain back?
    Every SMN? I know I'm not asking for it. So your assessment is false. Don't make generalizations. Not every SMN is terrible to the point where their pet is always dying for some unknown reason.

    And no, soloing boss FATEs and PotD were situations where SMN was OP. So these don't count.
    Seriously, of all people asking for Sustain back "because Titan-egi is dying", I've not seen a single post telling why it died. Except once, when someone said that Titan-egi couldn't pull a dozen mobs anymore. But I don't think I have to comment on how silly this reason is.

    So, please, at least don't say that every SMN want it back. That's not true.
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  2. #22
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    giantslayer's Avatar
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    Colette Pascal
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    Brynhildr
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Currently, Physick is useless to SMN and only gets worse as gear scales up. In the past, we didn't question it because no DPS were allowed to have any good heals past low level dungeons. Now that Red Mage has a good heal, a lot of SMNs are thinking, "why can't Physick be usable as well?"

    My idea of a solution: make Physick for SMN scale off of INT, but adjust the SMN Mend and Maim II Trait to no longer buff healing. That would make a SMN Physick about equivalent to a 300 potency. Useful, but appreciably weaker than a proper healer (400-450) or RDM (350 but they have to wait until lvl 54).
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  3. #23
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    AvenoMatt's Avatar
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    Avnus Vabruyt
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    Diabolos
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    Machinist Lv 90
    I don't think SMN needs a "useful" heal. Yeah it would be nice but I don't think it is needed. SMN already has good utility and can fit in any party. They are one of the only 2 DPSs to have a revive and they get their's at lv18 compared to RDM's lv64. SMN has a slow from Shadow Flare and though low effectiveness it is an aoe slow, Aetherpact/Devotion which boosts a party member's dps, healing, and damage resistance by 5% so great for anyone, and with the changes done to Contagion and Radiant Shield choosing Garuda or Ifrit becomes more of who benefits the party more. Increased magic damage or increased physical damage to a lesser extent but you get an added counter shield. RDM has their raise but only after lv64 so not that great before then and Embolden which only increases their magic damage but increases the physical damage of the rest party so is best used in primarily physical based parties. So from my view point their cure is less of a perk and more of a needed utility to help them stand out.

    I guess you can say that SMN is high utility and low security, RDM is low utility and high security, and BLM is no utility or security but mega explosions!!!!!

    I do like the idea of Physic being turned into our pet heal as it is weird that they removed Sustain.
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    Last edited by AvenoMatt; 07-01-2017 at 03:27 PM.

  4. #24
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    TristanBlane's Avatar
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    Crucius Lapin
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    Siren
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    We NEED some healing sustainability for our pets. My poor Ifrit keeps dying because he likes to stay in the nono zones. Its an mp loss and dps loss when I have to keep bringing him back out. It is sooo bizarre that sustain was removed.
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  5. #25
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    Shikiseki's Avatar
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    Akio Shikimazu
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    Odin
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    Summoner Lv 100
    I like this idea, not to make those entitled Red Mages salty or anything, but to have an alternative to the scrapped Sustain spell. They basically made titan even more worthless than he was before and there's no reason Physic should not scale off INT like the Red Mage spell does.
    But there's no reason to make a Physick II out of it, just alter the original Physick to scale off mind

    Quote Originally Posted by AcaciaTyrannia View Post
    You aren't a red mage, stop asking for their toolkit.
    Oh yeah? Guess who had a battle raise and cure since 2.0, surely that Red Mage that existed back then ;P
    And jokes on you, Tri-bind is better than your Tether! (lol)
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  6. #26
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    Vallhallix's Avatar
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    Urdnot Rekt
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    Midgardsormr
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    Summoner Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by AcaciaTyrannia View Post
    You aren't a red mage, stop asking for their toolkit.
    They already took ours and one of them they can do better, did they not?

    Although if a situation gets so bad that RDM has to simultaneously raise multiple people it's probably already a wipe at such a point.
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  7. #27
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    Leon Reddas
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    Masamune
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    Scholar Lv 77
    Quote Originally Posted by Shikiseki View Post
    I like this idea, not to make those entitled Red Mages salty or anything, but to have an alternative to the scrapped Sustain spell. They basically made titan even more worthless than he was before and there's no reason Physic should not scale off INT like the Red Mage spell does.
    Also to add this, the cross role skill Erase goes off INT and currently is more effective than Physick at higher levels! That's just crazy.
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  8. #28
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    Alisi's Avatar
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    Tempest Deep
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    Twintania
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    Every SMN? I know I'm not asking for it. So your assessment is false. Don't make generalizations. Not every SMN is terrible to the point where their pet is always dying for some unknown reason.
    Yes, yes, the ultra special person who's better then everyone else and needs everyone to know it. It was only time until you made an appearance. I'm glad such a special butterfly and rare awesome, super special, bestest SMN like you would grace me with your wisdom.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    And no, soloing boss FATEs and PotD were situations where SMN was OP. So these don't count.
    Seriously, of all people asking for Sustain back "because Titan-egi is dying", I've not seen a single post telling why it died. Except once, when someone said that Titan-egi couldn't pull a dozen mobs anymore. But I don't think I have to comment on how silly this reason is.
    Yes. Because killing things solo in the world is totally OP. That's why healers have no attack skills, right? Because they're HEALERS and it would totally be OP if they could do anything with their classes outside their assigned roles. It's not like SMNers are a pet class! Our pets shouldn't be allowed to live outside the narrow confines of the prescribed roll. That's what real tanks are for. Every SMN who didn't rely on a full party was just plain OP.

    As for saying no one has said why Titan-egi died, perhaps you should read closer. I've said why he's died. ALMOST everyone *winkwink* has said why. Two mobs and he'd dead in three hits. We have no heals for him. He's a tank. Are you really confused how he's dying? Did tanks become immune to all damage? Did you think he commits suicide by jumping off an edge because we're not all as awesome as you are?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    So, please, at least don't say that every SMN want it back. That's not true.
    Oh yes. I forgot some people can't stand generalizations. You are a special butterfly. I won't forget.
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  9. #29
    Player Mindiori's Avatar
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    Reika Hanehara
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    Ragnarok
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    Archer Lv 70
    Return sustain already. Its more than sufficient in combo for the pet and should have been left alone. A simple fix, with little more to be said at this point.
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  10. #30
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    Psycofang's Avatar
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    Void Fang
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    Zalera
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    Red Mage needs a heal less than Summoners do. They don't have a pet to manage and keep alive to maintain a large chunk of their DPS.

    Yeah instead of a pet to tank a portion of the hp bar RDMs just getting hit in the face directly.

    Seriously you guys asl for far too much far too often.
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