Powerleveling Revisited

[Mirh]

then leave so in the future no more retarded threads will be posted. the more pre-abbysea ffxi retards leave, the better Yoshi-p will design the game based on *competing other mmo,s* then filling the minority,s non-existant needs.
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Are you fucking kidding me? Like, really. is this a fucking joke post?

This is a loud and beaming example of why this is unacceptable: Why do people like this get catered to religiously when the supposedly non-existent minority that conflicts with them would pay more money out of their own pocket for a certain experience than this guy's mother can afford for him?

Christ.

[viion]

Are you fucking kidding me? Like, really. is this a fucking joke post?

This is a loud and beaming example of why this is unacceptable: Why do people like this get catered to religiously when the supposedly non-existent minority that conflicts with them would pay more money out of their own pocket for a certain experience than this guy's mother can afford for him?

Christ.

Welcome to the tinterwebs.

[Mirh]

I'm quite accustomed to the interwebs, I just have never seen such STAGGERING levels of greed and blind selfishness in anything. It's not just that person, by any means.

So far everything is 90% "SCREW WHAT YOU WANT GIVE ME THE EASY!!!!!!! NOTHING ELSE WORKS!" and 10% "Well, I really could use a game experience."

And that 10% just get thrashed. Even WoW's idiotic community could show less childish bias.


It's like, people are afraid. Powerleveling would always exist, but people are like, life-dependent on it being the norm.

[viion]

I'm quite accustomed to the interwebs, I just have never seen such STAGGERING levels of greed and blind selfishness in anything. It's not just creep, by any means.

So far everything is 90% "SCREW WHAT YOU WANT GIVE ME THE EASY!!!!!!! NOTHING ELSE WORKS!" and 10% "Well, I really could use a game experience."

And that 10% just get thrashed. Even WoW's idiotic community could show less childish bias.


It's like, people are afraid. Powerleveling would always exist, but people are like, life-dependent on it being the norm.

Meh hardly, maybe recently, but its like 50/50 hard mode easy mode atm, no ones happy lol.

Because some find ifrit ez (go in full lncers) others dont (go in without full lncers) so there is a split group of people saying lolz easy, and the others cleaning up the blood from their fists they punched into the wall.

but yeh PLing is osum, so we should just leave it. or i dont care, i be finished with it soon.

[Mirh]

Viion, don't you think it's a little sad that the state of the game being easy or not has a lot to do with the class balance (or: how absolutely unenjoyable half the classes are but how super freaking awesome some are)?

When 1.20 rolls around it'll be interesting to see how the community sees the level of difficulty the game has. Maybe if the classes were actually fun and required the tactics S-E insisted they would, powerleveling wouldn't be so necessary, as well.

[Reokudo]

To save some headache when you don't want a PL... Upon starting a pt and acquiring members you as a the party leader can simply say I don't want a PL for this group, if you have a problem say so now before we go out. It alleviates the headache associated with what Isaac had going for him there. I see two sides to the whole Power Leveling bit, sure it can breed bad players. But even if a bad player leveled through normal means, they'd still be bad. If you're new and learning the game, power leveling can destroy a bit of the journey[ and accomplishment that some get when they hit 50. But if you're a level 50 already who just wants to level a job for certain abilities and never play it again after that, for that I'd say PL is great for. "Cause seriously, I'm a melee player and I hate mages(They bore me.), yet my own protect, cure and the like would save my ass.

[Aleczan]

Thought you did a nice job of stating your opinion. I personally like the way things are but can also understand your frustration. I'm guessing the masses also are fine with the current set-up. As party leader you could alweys tell people your guidelines up front, that might help.

I think the lack of lower level gear in wards is due in part to two additonal things:

1. Most people dont buy it because its not great for turning into Materia - maybe they could give a small chance for tier IV materia from 30s gear? This would increase demand.
2. Most people don't craft it. A crafter can't make very much gil on low level equipment. Also the majority of crafters are either high level (at this point), NPCing, or have friends that can make. I think once more people are playing this would not be an issue.

To save some headache when you don't want a PL... Upon starting a pt and acquiring members you as a the party leader can simply say I don't want a PL for this group, if you have a problem say so now before we go out. It alleviates the headache associated with what Isaac had going for him there. I see two sides to the whole Power Leveling bit, sure it can breed bad players. But even if a bad player leveled through normal means, they'd still be bad. If you're new and learning the game, power leveling can destroy a bit of the journey[ and accomplishment that some get when they hit 50. But if you're a level 50 already who just wants to level a job for certain abilities and never play it again after that, for that I'd say PL is great for. "Cause seriously, I'm a melee player and I hate mages(They bore me.), yet my own protect, cure and the like would save my ass.

This preemptive measure looks good. I like it a lot. Could work in most, if not all, parties. At least it should make it less likely for any asshole to start trying to hijack your party in the middle of the current EXP party session.

[Teia]

It's like, people are afraid. Powerleveling would always exist, but people are like, life-dependent on it being the norm.

I think anyone "life-dependent" on it is more just afraid of having to wait for other people to find new ways to level quickly (since those people don't strike me as the innovative type) if powerleveling gets patched again. Really, they're just as bad as the people who are deathly allergic to even the thought of powerleveling, just in an "equal but opposite" way.

[Lavani]

Are you fucking kidding me? Like, really. is this a fucking joke post?

This is a loud and beaming example of why this is unacceptable: Why do people like this get catered to religiously when the supposedly non-existent minority that conflicts with them would pay more money out of their own pocket for a certain experience than this guy's mother can afford for him?

Christ.

Because 100 people paying 12 dollars > 10 people paying 20

[Mirh]

I think anyone "life-dependent" on it is more just afraid of having to wait for other people to find new ways to level quickly (since those people don't strike me as the innovative type) if powerleveling gets patched again. Really, they're just as bad as the people who are deathly allergic to even the thought of powerleveling, just in an "equal but opposite" way.

I don't recall anyone who has said powerleveling should absolutely, positively, not exist. The idea is that one group wants powerleveling and couldn't care possibly less if the content exists and the rest of the community is happy, and the other group wants multiple ways to be viable at honestly no cost to anyone.

Considering how many people are happily powerleveling, I think the concern is when you're running into problems avoiding it.

As far as being lonely at the top goes, I can't imagine a more wonderful opportunity to make friends in the game to play with later than to help those lower level players find those new ways to level. It's not always about reaching the cap. The concept of being a veteran in an MMO seems lost these days.

Because 100 people paying 12 dollars > 10 people paying 20

Once the game starts costing money I think the amount of people wanting a mediocre experience in content will drop. I REALLY hate to say it, but it's obvious most people who have played FFXIV during this time were here for the graphics and free play, not out of loyalty or interest. There are lots of fun MMOs out there, and if you're playing an MMO for a story/content, you don't skip it. It's just not logical.

I'm not going to argue with your point - it is valid - but you have to understand how incredibly stubborn and devoted the secondary group is. The former group may bring in the cash, but the latter is where you will be gauranteed to keep recieving that cash. The trick isn't to absolutely, under any circumstance, please the first group only, but to trick you guys into throwing money at the game to keep funds up (Through patches that promise a better game - like how WoW does, and any of us who like WoW know how potent this is) while the more reliable, stubborn group plants down and stays under even the most harsh of circumstances - that is, once you prove, as a company, you care about us, too.

Of course I don't agree to those tactics, I'd rather us all be happy. Just don't forget, the finicky, attention-deficit players are much easier to manipulate and will always ebb and flow in and out of a game's community. S-E will never make this game better than FFXI, so they only have to please so many people. "So many people" stuck through with FFXI for years before WOTG and Abyssea, and FFXI will be seen as a successful MMO in the books of gaming history when it finally, fully, ends.

Hmm, which would explain why Yoshida mainly focuses on appealing to the non-loyal-FFXI potentials. How interesting.