DPS why don't you know your rotations?

[akaneakki]

I'm sure there will be a lot of changes to all jobs throughout Stormblood just like in ARR and HW.

Mostlikely will yes. I agree on what you are saying, but I seriously can't grasp it when people on this forum claims they don't need any tool to get good. You don't really need to if you know how it all floats, however it helps. I just can't understand why some people say they can figure it out on their own, but in reality they wait for some guy to fix it for them so then can learn the rotation.

[KisaiTenshi]

Mostlikely will yes. I agree on what you are saying, but I seriously can't grasp it when people on this forum claims they don't need any tool to get good. You don't really need to if you know how it all floats, however it helps. I just can't understand why some people say they can figure it out on their own, but in reality they wait for some guy to fix it for them so then can learn the rotation.

If you need a tool other than the training dummy, then you're not playing the game as it was intended.

Things like the Jump potions and PotD have basically made a mockery of players learning anything, because those level 32-49 dungeons progressed in a way for you to learn those skills as you got them. PotD, you might be that level for about 5 minutes. When those skill gauge manuals come up, you have no time to read it and just click it off.

On the other hand PotD is a good way to find out if you like or hate doing a certain job. So maybe RDM or SAM is not for you, get it to 60 within the PotD and find out if you like playing it, otherwise try something else.

[akaneakki]

If you need a tool other than the training dummy, then you're not playing the game as it was intended.

Hold on let me quote you really quick on that.

Better idea:Stop caring about your DPS. .

You say I'm not playing the game as intended but yet you say stop caring about your DPS? Did you know the actually goal for duties are 0% hp on adds and bosses?It seems like you're the one playing the game wrong. Do 4k dps in susano like you would do on a dummy, highly doubt you will beause of mechanics and stop and holding cds makes a major factor of how you perform or not. Popping b4b for example isn't excactly the smartest idea to do when boss is about to disappear. Just because you can on a dummy, doesn't mean you should in a fight. So who's playing the game wrong? So I guess those players who plays optimaly or very good at least, giving out guides for jobs are playing wrong too? So instead of listening to them, why not listen to you.. I mean you play the game right and we play it wrong.. waiting for a respons here.

[KisaiTenshi]

Hold on let me quote you really quick on that.

You say I'm not playing the game as intended but yet you say stop caring about your DPS?

The game gives you exactly one tool to "check your dps", those are the various training dummies in the game. If you care so much about big numbers use those. Ultimately knowing the perfect rotation is useless if the fight is not going to give you 15 seconds to execute it.

The game is intended to be played by learning, you see a certain AOE pattern in a previous dungeon, then you see it later. For example those "columns" that people have to stand in that the current level 70 content is fond of? Those were previous Raid mechanics. Various AOE's in the HW content, were telegraphed in earlier dungeons. If you never did the Raid's, then those were new to you.

Even within the same dungeon, the earlier mobs and bosses telegraph what the final boss is going to do.

The game is not about who can do the most damage or who can do the trial the fastest, it's who can pass the trial, period. If the game creates incentives for big numbers or low completion times, then the player base gets even more toxic.

Hell, if SE wanted to teach players to be less toxic, they would adjust the rewards to greater if the boss gets to complete all it's phases. If you manage to skip a phase, or kill the boss so fast that the boss room doesn't get to close, then maybe that shouldn't be rewarded.

[akaneakki]

The game gives you exactly one tool to "check your dps", those are the various training dummies in the game. If you care so much about big numbers use those. Ultimately knowing the perfect rotation is useless if the fight is not going to give you 15 seconds to execute it..

You still ignore the importent part of my post then. Just because you can do everything whenever you want on a dummy, doesn't mean you should in a fight. Let's say DRG lvl70. Nastrond > 320 potency. You can do it either 2 times or 1 time, which is better? Obviously 2 times. If you used it right before the boss is disappearin you would only do it 1 time, which is a 320 potency skill lost out of no where. Would you pop b4b when boss is about to disappear again? No. Why? 20 sec duration > 8 sec duration.

The game is not about who can do the most damage or who can do the trial the fastest, it's who can pass the trial, period. If the game creates incentives for big numbers or low completion times, then the player base gets even more toxic.

So you say it's fine to wipe till it's almost end of duty, since it's about to die on last pull with 25% echo? Do you even realize what you just said here? If I farm soemthing, I expect things to die fast. Farming means doing things fast not slow. Whoever does a farm wants 7-10 kills an hour instead of 2. Why are you even playing a game with huge pve content?

Your logic is: If we farm fast we are elitist toxic players, if we kill 1 trial every 30 min with full echo we aren't. Okay....Your logic makes no sense.

Again, you sponsor something I wouldn't exactly be proud of and I'm glad most people can also see it, unless they are blindfolded by your logic.