Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Shakugan]

With the new MP refresh options, DPS is not restricting. I'm not choked for MP. I disagree with Divine Benison being trash and needing Stoneskin again. It's instant so no long cast time. Always know you can go Cure II > DB without a second thought. It blocks 15% of HP instead of 10% so it is better at mitigating damage. There is more uptime with it than Stoneskin.

Lillies is underwhelming. You cannot control it and no strategy involved.

Plenary Indulgence is unneeded. The random Confession stacks aren't reliable to be able to predict any upcoming heals needed. The proc rate is just too low. When Confession hits, the target is topped off so there is no reason for the extra healing.

WHM feels a lot stronger and effective on doing big numbers in heals and burst damage. The added mechanics in Confession/Plenary Indulgence and Lillies are underwhelming. The combat overhaul works in its favor. RNG needs to be taken out of the procs for Lillies and Confession stacks.

[Risvertasashi]

With the new MP refresh options, DPS is not restricting. I'm not choked for MP. I disagree with Divine Benison being trash and needing Stoneskin again. It's instant so no long cast time. Always know you can go Cure II > DB without a second thought. It blocks 15% of HP instead of 10% so it is better at mitigating damage. There is more uptime with it than Stoneskin.

Originally WHM had 18% stoneskin. 10% was the nerf version. Anyways, Benison looks decent on paper: oGCD, instant barrier, and 15% is not bad for that.

But then you add RNG gating... ...you can force it with cure II, but then you spend a GCD with cast time, probably overhealing, and suddenly it's not looking so great...

[MelvinK]

Originally WHM had 18% stoneskin. 10% was the nerf version. Anyways, Benison looks decent on paper: oGCD, instant barrier, and 15% is not bad for that.

But then you add RNG gating... ...you can force it with cure II, but then you spend a GCD with cast time, probably overhealing, and suddenly it's not looking so great...

I think you should look divine benison as spell to help with tank healing. Whenever there is a tank buster, and tank is running risk of dying, having a cure II follow up by a shield is a godsend. There is really no risk of overhealing here.

[Niroken]

I disagree with Divine Benison being trash and needing Stoneskin again. It's instant so no long cast time. Always know you can go Cure II > DB without a second thought.

If you are having to Cure II to use Benison you just gave it a cast time.

[Shakugan]

Originally WHM had 18% stoneskin. 10% was the nerf version. Anyways, Benison looks decent on paper: oGCD, instant barrier, and 15% is not bad for that.

But then you add RNG gating... ...you can force it with cure II, but then you spend a GCD with cast time, probably overhealing, and suddenly it's not looking so great...

This can be true for casual dungeons more or less but when we're talking about end-game hardcore content, like the extreme primals for the moment, it starts to have a lot more uptime with more common use of Cure in them. I would say the same for raids.

If you are having to Cure II to use Benison you just gave it a cast time.

Considering that's not the only way to get Lillies. Sure, it is the only sure way every time, but see above.

[Risvertasashi]

but when we're talking about end-game hardcore content, like the extreme primals for the moment, it starts to have a lot more uptime with more common use of Cure in them. I would say the same for raids.

The problem is still though... it's not reliable. It might be up for those tank busters. It might not be. It probably won't be if you just got out of an AoE burst phase. (Unless you only use medica/C3... but that goes back to the argument about playing suboptimally to cater to lilies).

[AlphaSonic]

This can be true for casual dungeons more or less but when we're talking about end-game hardcore content, like the extreme primals for the moment, it starts to have a lot more uptime with more common use of Cure in them. I would say the same for raids.



Considering that's not the only way to get Lillies. Sure, it is the only sure way every time, but see above.

Having to cast Cure or Cure II is the only way to get lilies... And even then, it's true that you will get more lilies in that type of content, but you will probably spend them in something that you didn't want to since basically you don't have control on which abilities you spend lilies.