Quote Originally Posted by Stanelis View Post
When I talk about content I m obviously talking about what did matter, eg the current tier of content and BCOIL and second coil. Let me remind you that even in the 2.0 dungeons you could wipe and the duty could fail (especially in amdapor keep) if the tank didn't know what to do/where to tank the mobs.

I remember a time when every single point of vitality did actually matter (As on titan or twintania) and when the challenge was to get aggro on adds before they wiped the raid (as an example, see the snakes on T5 or the mobs of T4). Even on encounters such as T7, what actually did matter was the ability to decide how to put the monsters and when. Your example is poorly chosen as ramuh may be one of the easiest boss of the 2.X series of patches.

Also, no, players didn't magically get better in HW. HW had a lack of compelling mechanics for tank and the tanking gameplay was dumbed down for the role, and SE tried to compensate by over emphasizing the DPS aspect of the tanking classes.

And, by the way, the fact that you have 1 or 2 combos on your class doesn't make tanking gameplay less/more interesting/harder.
I don't know about you, but ARR was by far easier than heavensward especially on the tanking front. See complaints about Gordias/Midas versus... SCOB Savage that no one gave a flying poop about?

And yes, having one combo does infact make it less interesting(2.X PLD) and having more combos and oGCDs to press is infact harder(3.X DRK). How this evades you I have absolutely no clue. You didn't need every point of vit in heavensward or ARR because everything was either overmitigated, or poorly shielded/mitigated due to lack of tank swap because "HERP DERP IM PLD MT" giving the idea that things were "harder" when they frankly were not. Far from it.

If you believe that actually pushing yourself and not relying on the crutch that is Grit/ShO/Defiance is easier than perma tank stance camping with full vit accessories and only mashing aggro combo, then I have no more words left.

But you know, different groups, different mileages. My experiences differ from yours, and it's all subjective in the end.