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[TaranTatsuuchi]

Dungeons are a joke and always have been.

The challenge from this game is from Savage and EX Trials. MSQ should NEVER impede anyone. What they do after the story is their business IMHO.

MSQ is essentially FFXIV's "Easy Mode". It should be just that.

There's a case to be made about having an increasing difficulty curve throught a game's story mode...
Teaching the players to get better as they go along by requiring them to ever so slowly beat progressivly tougher challenges...


I wonder what ffxiv would be like if the story was like that...

[HyperSMB]

There's a case to be made about having an increasing difficulty curve throught a game's story mode...
Teaching the players to get better as they go along by requiring them to ever so slowly beat progressivly tougher challenges...


I wonder what ffxiv would be like if the story was like that...

Bad will still be bad. As soon as people find out the minimum they can do, many will do just that. To think otherwise is kind of silly.

[DracotheDragon]

There's a case to be made about having an increasing difficulty curve throught a game's story mode...
Teaching the players to get better as they go along by requiring them to ever so slowly beat progressivly tougher challenges...


I wonder what ffxiv would be like if the story was like that...

*points to FFXI* XD

Bad will still be bad. As soon as people find out the minimum they can do, many will do just that. To think otherwise is kind of silly.

well then time to raise the bar, even if just by a bit. (ignoring the jump poitons for the moment) this is level 70, by now, players should understand the basics of there jobs and be able to play quite well or at least on a adaquite level. thats why people were asking for a hall of the intermediate, so people could learn harder battles and skills.

[Jetstream_Fox]

well then time to raise the bar, even if just by a bit. (ignoring the jump poitons for the moment) this is level 70, by now, players should understand the basics of there jobs and be able to play quite well or at least on a adaquite level. thats why people were asking for a hall of the intermediate, so people could learn harder battles and skills.

Job difficulty is different than raid/dungeon difficulty, the issue with this fight stems from player error and attitude, this fight requires near perfect execution in some areas, if a tank or healer goes down your chances of getting through it drastically decrease, it's essentially Thordan EX but with much much higher damage output, and given Thordan EX was among one of the most mechanical demanding fights of 3.X, the moment people see one or two wipes, they quit. Add the fact the new people who didn't preorder are getting in this area, the amount of cleared players running it vs new feels like 3:1.

People arent going to clear this easily unless they get matched with people who have a understanding of the fight, or they realize this is all the mechs of other fights meshed together, and can properly communicate, but the likelihood of people properly communicating and having the right attitude in this game, is very rare so to speak.

[Aronys]

this fight requires near perfect execution in some areas, if a tank or healer goes down your chances of getting through it drastically decrease

You mean like every story dungeon ever?
You are grasping at straws now.

If you can't clear the final boss... git gud.

[Jetstream_Fox]

You mean like every story dungeon ever?
You are grasping at straws now.

If you can't clear the final boss... git gud.

Thordan, The Praetorium, Cape Westwind, Castrum Medridianum, Susano, Lakshmi, Bismarck, and Ravana, are a few fights that don't require both tanks and healers, and can be done via a solo method to complete, I can go further but I rather not embarrass you anymore, so I think you need to "git gud" and go back to learn your history of fights in this game.

[Vidu]

Thordan, The Praetorium, Cape Westwind, Castrum Medridianum, Susano, Lakshmi, Bismarck, and Ravana, are a few fights that don't require both tanks and healers, and can be done via a solo method to complete, I can go further but I rather not embarrass you anymore, so I think you need to "git gud" and go back to learn your history of fights in this game.

He was talking about dungeons - you're talking about trials. You know, dungeons - those things with only 4 people. If your one healer dies during a bossfight in a dungeon - how are chances to clear that fight? If your tank dies - how chaotic does the fight get?

Trials are having that little bit of back up because you've normally got two of each role - but in a dungeon: you're the healer, you die, chances are its a wipe. Some trials might not require both tank and healer, but pretty much all dungeons need the one tank and the one healer there is to function properly. And thats what he was talking about - when you reach the final battle, specially as tank/healer, you should have went through several story dungeons that are indeed requiring you to pay attention.

(I'll admit that doesnt hold totally true - as a main paladin I've healed through several bossfights during SB-dungeons because the healer died now...)

[Aerowaffle]

Thordan, The Praetorium, Cape Westwind, Castrum Medridianum, Susano, Lakshmi, Bismarck, and Ravana, are a few fights that don't require both tanks and healers, and can be done via a solo method to complete, I can go further but I rather not embarrass you anymore, so I think you need to "git gud" and go back to learn your history of fights in this game.

When that content was first released, I really doubt there were groups that would clear it without the tanks or healers.

Right now? Sure. But now the people that enter the dungeon/trial is people who have run it plenty of times and are overgeared for the content.

When I cleared the current final Trial in the MSQ almost everyone, including myself, were less than 10 iLvl over the min and it was their first time through it. It was rough, but we managed a clear with only 2 wipes, and both wipes we brought it down to 10%.