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Someone just reached the 4.0 final fight. If you can't do this by 70 then you don't deserve endgame. It's all basic boss skills we've seen 100 times.

[Odstarva]

Someone just reached the 4.0 final fight. If you can't do this by 70 then you don't deserve endgame. It's all basic boss skills we've seen 100 times.

Completely agree. It is certainly more difficult than the usual MSQ face-rolling content we get, which is why it may at first feel a little intimidating, but it is by no means an extreme trial - you aren't punished with death by making one mistake, you can complete it with half of your team dead and there is no such thing as an enrage (or am I mistaken?).

[Elkanah]

Completely agree. It is certainly more difficult than the usual MSQ face-rolling content we get, which is why it may at first feel a little intimidating, but it is by no means an extreme trial - you aren't punished with death by making one mistake, you can complete it with half of your team dead and there is no such thing as an enrage (or am I mistaken?).

I honestly hope we get a extreme or savage version of the final boss fight lol. Like Thordan but x10 worse XD

[RaizeGraymalkin]

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Someone just reached the 4.0 final fight. If you can't do this by 70 then you don't deserve endgame. It's all basic boss skills we've seen 100 times.

Maybe not everyone is looking for end game? Also that fight is way overtuned. Consider everything else the game throws at you up until that point. The difficulty spike is a bit much. This is a MSQ not Savage. It doesn't need to be mindless like Thordan, but it's a bridge too far.

It's definitely gonna get nerfed.

This. So much this. Whats the point in having an endboss when its basically just another striking dummy. Thats a hugeass dragon there, a powerful primal - why do people just want him to drop dead as soon as they did so much as poke him?

As I already said it's a story boss. Story is for casuals. The constant bitching about "waaaaaah everything needs to be savage" is silly. Most of the playerbase is casual.

[DracotheDragon]

Maybe not everyone is looking for end game? Also that fight is way overtuned. Consider everything else the game throws at you up until that point. The difficulty spike is a bit much. This is a MSQ not Savage. It doesn't need to be mindless like Thordan, but it's a bridge too far.

It's definitely gonna get nerfed.

As I already said it's a story boss. Story is for casuals. The constant bitching about "waaaaaah everything needs to be savage" is silly. Most of the playerbase is casual.

ok then lets compair with 'end bosses' as they came with both the x.0 and x.5/end of the version bosses

2.0 Ultima people complained THIS was hard, and people wanted it harder, this is what sparked Extreme and minstrals ballad,
2.55 Steps of faith a mechanic needed fight, that if people payed attention it is simple, this was nerfed into the ground into SEE BIG PUNCH BIG WIN BIG
3.0 Thoradin, this one was 'tuned to the needs of the players' after SoF and was preety light show but honestly a very dull fight.
3.5 Nidhogg (technichly MSQ final boss) or mr SLOPPY himself illbard. i have had parties of people COMPLAINING about both.

if i encluded extreames or opitional content i would be mentioning the raids mainly A4 normal. which people didnt like. ignoring the savage mode.


and now 4.0

shinryu a fun fight with things you need to pay attention to and all hell hath broken loose.

this is the same old story we hear EVERY time something interesting is added, players dont want to learn and want the victory handed to them :/ in other games you would be smashing your head against a wall until you broke though the wall, but if it gets nerfed to where the fight becomes another punch big win big, its like touching the wall and having the whole wall move out the way for you.

the fun part is if you dont beleave me, wait til 4.1 where we get a new primal and this whole shtick repeats once more

[Vidu]

As I already said it's a story boss. Story is for casuals. The constant bitching about "waaaaaah everything needs to be savage" is silly. Most of the playerbase is casual.

Why do you only know the difference between "savage" and "braindead"? And why do you assume that everyone who isnt raiding doesnt like a little challenge once in a while. LITTLE: No one is saying this has to be savage difficulty. And you know what? It isnt. Why do you assume that anything harder than faceroll-easy is to much for someone who just wants to see the story?
I find this attitude insulting to anyone who actually plays this game casually - because you're basically saying "yeah, you're to stupid to handle anything that goes beyong pressing 3 buttons" so we have to make this very, very easy for you.