Samurai Discussion

[EdwinLi]

The new skill info is up and look SAM has no positional requirements. That is going to trigger other melee DPS Jobs

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/samurai/

Atleast True North will remove positional requirements for a short time for the other Melee Jobs.

[Aion]

The new skill info is up and look SAM has no positional requirements. That is going to trigger other melee DPS Jobs

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/samurai/

Atleast True North will remove positional requirements for a short time for the other Melee Jobs.

SAM has positional for additional Kenki generation

Gekko: Rear Combo Bonus: Increases Kenki Gauge by 5

Kasha: Side Combo Bonus: Increases Kenki Gauge by 5

[EdwinLi]

SAM has positional for additional Kenki generation

Gekko: Rear Combo Bonus: Increases Kenki Gauge by 5

Kasha: Side Combo Bonus: Increases Kenki Gauge by 5

I'm talking about damage wise which is usually more heavy on other Melee DPS Jobs.

[mosaicex]

I'm talking about damage wise which is usually more heavy on other Melee DPS Jobs.

You're still losing out on Kenki which translates directly into more damage.
And as many theorcycrafters already pointed out in this thread, Kenki generation is extremely important especially for maximized opener.

[silentwindfr]

true, but the sam will still be less impacted by being unable to meet the position recquirement, like some fight force.
plus theorycraft is nice, it don't always reflect reality of fight, since we can be forced to move away or simply need to switch of target.

[Daioh]

Though it's obvious the Patch Notes confirm that Hissatsu: Yaten was misnamed:

An issue wherein the level 56 samurai ability, Hissatsu: Yaten is misnamed Hissatsu: Gyoten, which is also the name of the level 54 samurai ability. Both abilities function properly, but the only way to tell them apart is by their icon and help text.

Furthermore, using "Hissatsu: Gyoten" in a macro will properly trigger the level 54 samurai ability. However, the level 56 ability "Hissatsu: Yaten" cannot be used in a macro until this issue is resolved. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience.

[Falar]

Samurai looks like it will be a blast.

Gotta have something to look forward to, they ruined my DRK.

[AlphaDragoon]

I'm talking about damage wise which is usually more heavy on other Melee DPS Jobs.

The Kenki loss is a damage loss: Less Kenki = less Hissatsu skills.

[Furious]

I'm talking about damage wise which is usually more heavy on other Melee DPS Jobs.

5 Kenki is 60 potency of damage loss on single target, pretty much directly. You have to use an extra ogcd every 5 "missed" positional attacks to gain the damage, but it's still a direct loss of damage. This assumes it is used on the lowest common denominator in terms of damage, because generally you will be saving kenki for the more important abilities anyway so the "extra" kenki you miss out on would be for the basic kenki spender. In actual fact, it could also be more than that depending on whether it delays use of more important kenki abilities (it never should, but it could if you do it wrong enough).

[Souru]

Kaiten does in fact affect Higanbana DoTs.