How's BLM looking?

[Silverquick]

Well if it had a point Greedalox... it would have been different... but it didn't.

It never achieved anything in the end, and it was completely pointless. BLM was just fine where it was. There was no need to nerf Flare.

In fact if they hadn't done that, it would have ended up closer to SMN anyway.

All it did achieve was a bunch of torqued off BLMs and people running to SMN.

And in the end it didn't make a damn bit of difference.

I understand what you're trying to say... but these things they're doing aren't achieving anything but the opposite of what they intended.

[Greedalox]

I understand what you're trying to say... but these things they're doing aren't achieving anything but the opposite of what they intended.

How so? You're trying to make it sound like the only balance measurement needed is SMN vs BLM when it's SMN vs BLM vs MCH vs BRD vs DRG and so on. When your only unit of measurement is 2 classes out of the the dynamics of every class in the game of course your view is going to be skewed. I'm sure SE's though process involves a bit than "Today we want BLM to be worse than SMN- so lets do that." and more of a question on a classes role in composition.

You can pretend all you want that there's never a need to tone something down even in the situation that the toning down needs to be pulled back, but welcome to online gaming with a many class based system. You're going to have ups and downs, ebb and flows, nerfs and buffs. Pointless or not it exists and isn't going away.

[Silverquick]

How so? You're trying to make it sound like the only balance measurement needed is SMN vs BLM when it's SMN vs BLM vs MCH vs BRD vs DRG and so on. When your only unit of measurement is 2 classes out of the the dynamics of every class in the game of course your view is going to be skewed.

I'm only comparing BLM and SMN because they are the two magical DPS classes...
If the problems is balance between magical DPS jobs and melee DPS jobs... that's a different kind of balance, but something like that affects both jobs... you don't totally rewrite one of them and nerf it and then boost the other one... that's not balancing Magical DPS jobs against Melee DPS jobs... its balancing them against each other.

But there's more...

'm sure SE's though process involves a bit than "Today we want BLM to be worse than SMN- so lets do that." and more of a question on a classes role in composition.

Why exactly would someone do that?

Did it ever occur to you that's more like a bait and switch... sell them one thing, then snatch it and replace it with something completely different?

And you never thought that was going to torque people off or make them abandon the job they were playing because... that was never what they wanted to play in the first place?

.....or just cause more imbalances than it fixes? Like the Flare Nerf in 3.0?

That's not balance my friend... nor is it somehow stopping "power creep".

It's just pointless rearranging for the sake of rearranging.

[Greedalox]

I'm only comparing BLM and SMN because they are the two magical DPS classes...

So you'd have no issue having absolute garbage sub 300 single target DPS as long as you beat BLM's? That's silly thinking. Balance is all about the relations between the classes and how compositions piece together, not just a personal rivalry with another caster class.

Did it ever occur to you that's more like a bait and switch... sell them one thing, then snatch it and replace it with something completely different?

That sounds like a conspiracy theory- tinfoil hat type stuff. SE has literally (literally) nothing to gain from players playing SMN or BLM. They don't make money off you equipping a staff or a book.

It's just pointless rearranging for the sake of rearranging.

I'd bet an arm and a leg you wouldn't be on a tirade if the pointless rearranging for the sake of rearranging put your class (SMN) leaps and bounds above where it was at.