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    Blufnix Greedalox
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post
    I'm only comparing BLM and SMN because they are the two magical DPS classes...
    So you'd have no issue having absolute garbage sub 300 single target DPS as long as you beat BLM's? That's silly thinking. Balance is all about the relations between the classes and how compositions piece together, not just a personal rivalry with another caster class.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post

    Did it ever occur to you that's more like a bait and switch... sell them one thing, then snatch it and replace it with something completely different?
    That sounds like a conspiracy theory- tinfoil hat type stuff. SE has literally (literally) nothing to gain from players playing SMN or BLM. They don't make money off you equipping a staff or a book.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post

    It's just pointless rearranging for the sake of rearranging.
    I'd bet an arm and a leg you wouldn't be on a tirade if the pointless rearranging for the sake of rearranging put your class (SMN) leaps and bounds above where it was at.
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    Last edited by Greedalox; 06-16-2017 at 05:51 AM.

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    Ordoric Ambrosuis
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    Midgardsormr
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    Thaumaturge Lv 80
    Though hearts made flare have an actual no cost. Rather than remaining mana
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    Alkimi Asura
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    It reduces Flare MP cost by one third. So I'm guessing use it at the end of your AoE rotation and you'll still have enough for Blizzard III left over.
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    Remedi Maxwell
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    with convert and a ether you can quad instant flare by also using triplecast and wsiftcast
    pentaflare with lucid dream I suppose
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    Leviathan
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Ilberd fight is not hard at all to maintain enochian (and other fights) Aetherial Manipulation is your friend and just continue on your merry way.
    I have not read overly much about blm yet as i always love to practice multiple rotations and figure out for myself
    Am loving the triple casting and finally an aoe thunder :>
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    Hashmael Lightswain
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    Zalera
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Is this gonna end up being the 4.0 BLM thread, or should I dig up the proper one?

    I'm still only at the end of ARR, so most changes don't seem like they'll hit me, and I can at least sorta just learn the new mechanics as they come, rather than relearning. Might make educating via guides a little troublesome.

    Just looking for a little clarification to at least keep myself in decent shape where I'm at, until I get a better grasp on all the changes.

    Thunder: Instead of casting Thunder I and using procs for Thunder III, it's basically all Thunder III now? Or Thunder II for mass trash I suppose?
    AoE: Can't really do anything about potency loss, so Fire II and Flare still standard for AoE?

    Sounds like most of the bigger changes are all post-50, so I at least have a little while before I need to adjust, which I hope won't be too bad going in fresh. Mildly upset that Sleep doesn't AoE, but no big deal I guess.
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    Void Fang
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    Tug up the old sanctuary

    Also yes t3 took t1s spot and t2-4 is for aoe
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    Hashmael Lightswain
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    Much obliged. Think I'll hunker down on BLM until the dust settles. Sounds like things are mostly unchanged for me.
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    Kiouki Silverpaw
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    BLM lost the ability to cure with physic, but got the ability to erase party members (not self). We got drain to cure ourselves, but that can only be done during a battle...

    Usage of transpose sometimes kills the enochain buff...

    Not happy with these changes...
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    Last edited by Kyouki; 06-16-2017 at 10:13 PM.

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    Ashi Kuro
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    Behemoth
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    Black Mage Lv 57
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyouki View Post
    BLM lost the ability to cure with physic, but got the ability to erase party members (not self). We got drain to cure ourselves, but that can only be done during a battle...

    Usage of transpose sometimes kills the enochain buff...

    Not happy with these changes...
    The loss of heals really bothers me. I hate playing classes/jobs/games where I can't self heal. Any suggestions on a ranged dps class that can actually self heal?
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