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  1. #101
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    EllieShadeflare's Avatar
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    Elatus Shadeflare
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    You obviously havent payed attention to anything but potency reductions if all your listing is virus and e4e.

    You never saw my other posts, did you.

    Also yes thats blms shtick it must not move to achieve its highest natural outout something summoner can do within 90% range regardless of if there\\'s movement or not.

    Except the Summoner's rotation is stringent and hard to actually get good numbers with. Now we got harder to use with a much lower payout.
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  2. #102
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    Silverquick Fox
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycofang View Post
    Worry about what? Come to levi ill torch that piety build of yours. Its not about smn doing damage its about smn "mains" whining that they can no longer do almost blm level damage, god mode aoe, high mobility without having yo pay for it.

    Thats all this has been about but keep pretending its not.
    You know your writing style... is remarkably similar to Neela's... and I don't mean content wise... kinda suspicious to me.

    That said... What Planet are you living on...

    I don't hear any Summoner asking for BLM single target level damage... I only see them asking for their normal damage back... and see no reason for a nerf.

    Especially with Black Mage being unlocked in the Single target damage and no longer locked behind Enochian and restoring their mobility, and getting a boost to AoE damage.

    I don't know where you are getting that idea.

    And if you thought SMN damage was god like compared to BLM... then its more likely a problem with the way you play BLM... not because of any Summoner.
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  3. #103
    Player Neela's Avatar
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    Flower Girl
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    Zodiark
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Yay psy and I are the same person, your arguments are to tough for me and my follower xserver fc that I use 2 accs now - cmn really? xD
    Im more curious where your blm buddy with a postcounter of 16 came out of nowhere claiming the same bs u do since weeks.... *mystery*

    You two are really funny guys :3
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    Last edited by Neela; 06-16-2017 at 02:07 AM.

  4. #104
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    Silverquick Fox
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Neela View Post
    Im more curious where your blm buddy with a postcounter of 16 came out of nowhere claiming the same bs u do since weeks.... *mystery* You two are really funny guys :3
    Well since you obviously have no idea of writing style... or where they come from or why it looks that way...

    The person you are talking about has a very distinctive writing style you can only find in specific places. Its called Broadcast writing style, its used in TV and Radio and/or script writing.

    Very distinctive... I don't normally bold anything but I was impressed with their usage of it.

    So... why... do... I... use... ellipsis... and you never see anyone else doing it. It indicates an intentional pause.

    It's used in TV and Radio copy to distinguish the words making it easier for the on air personality to read the copy.

    I could tell that person you are referring to is obviously either trained in broadcasting or perhaps script writing.

    Obvious to me... not so obvious to you apparently.
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  5. #105
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    Blufnix Greedalox
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    Diabolos
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post
    And if you thought SMN damage was god like compared to BLM... then its more likely a problem with the way you play BLM... not because of any Summoner.
    Not necessarily true. SMN has spent more of this games life being stronger than BLM. That's not a play style thing really, that's just numbers. Now I'd never make my claims on how SMN will fare against BLM until it launches tomorrow, but all classes are part of the ebb and flow of balance and it's a lot easier to accept that balance on the launch of an expansion is even further out of reach than it is normally. There really is a time and a place to complain about your place in the hierarchy, I just don't think it's before any content we'll be touching in the first 2 weeks while SE will be at the apex of modifications. If you're absurdly weak on launch, expect to get buffs in the near future. It's not that big of a deal.
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  6. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greedalox View Post
    Not necessarily true. SMN has spent more of this games life being stronger than BLM. That's not a play style thing really, that's just numbers. Now I'd never make my claims on how SMN will fare against BLM until it launches tomorrow, but all classes are part of the ebb and flow of balance
    Well lets face it... when it came to some instances.... every job was stronger than BLM.

    Even Bards were beating it in heavy movement mechanics dungeons.

    But that had more to do with how fragile Enochian was... not the actual damage output of a BLM, it was so bad... all the other jobs (not just SMN) were beating it specific various instances.

    This is why on the last page we were all talking about how good these changes were for BLM... specifically the Enochian unlock. It quite literally removes the limiters on BLM... and combined with the Thunder AoE buff... It covers some needed things from BLM in 3.0.

    There is no need for "ebb and flow"... here.... you just needed a "flow".

    They now have movement that won't completely wreck their DPS anymore. Even if they have to move... A single Fire 3 and right back to Fire 4's. No waiting anymore for something with a 60 second recast timer.

    That was the important part... You don't need to break something else and create another imbalance, or you just end up in the same shoes you started in with some other job, and you'll be fixing that later. Smart play is not to break it in the first place.
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  7. #107
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post

    There is no need for "ebb and flow"... here.... you just needed a "flow".
    You do actually. Giving and giving is power creep- and it kills games.
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  8. #108
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    Rebecca Serenade
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Maintaining Enochian was never the hard part about 3.0 BLM, maintaining Astral Fire was. Very little has changed in that regard.
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  9. #109
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    Lunar Emerald
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    Leviathan
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Flare got nerfed to the ground.

    Deals fire damage to a target and all enemies nearby it with a potency of 260 for the first enemy, 15% less for the second, 30% less for the third, 45% less for the fouth, 60% less for the fifth, and 70% less for all remaining enemies.
    Additional Effect: Grants Astral Fire III and removes Umbral Ice
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  10. #110
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    Silverquick Fox
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Greedalox View Post
    You do actually. Giving and giving is power creep- and it kills games.
    Well with all due respect, I still don't see how breaking one job and boosting another to enormous damage levels helps that.

    That will still mean you never fixed your "power creep" problem... you just broke something else.
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