How's BLM looking?

[IllyriaKnotfred]

I just don't understand the need for doom and gloom when it comes to numbers and not functionality. If 4.0 rolls out and SMN does end up having low damage compared to BLM/RDM, they will get buffed. If their kit is fun, and the changes work overall and the only issue is numbers- those can be tweaked. Easily, with little to no effort. People just need to calm down and let the raid tier come out before freaking out about potency. Balance will come, maybe not at first, but it will still come.

[Silverquick]

I just don't understand the need for doom and gloom when it comes to numbers and not functionality. If 4.0 rolls out and SMN does end up having low damage compared to BLM/RDM, they will get buffed. If their kit is fun, and the changes work overall and the only issue is numbers- those can be tweaked. Easily, with little to no effort. People just need to calm down and let the raid tier come out before freaking out about potency. Balance will come, maybe not at first, but it will still come.

Yeah but that's pointless...

Why would you want to play something you didn't sign up for all the way through the content just to get that far?

I'm fine waiting for launch to find out if they really did nerf it that bad... but that's as far as it goes.

If it hasn't changed from what I am looking at currently... no way in hell would I play it. There are much better options than that.

[IllyriaKnotfred]

Unless you are in a very hardcore raid group- why does it matter which is the 'best'? Play what you enjoy playing the most.

[Psycofang]

Okay, let\\'s disseminate this, one by one.

Smns who have the highest utility of the caster classes whining about personal dps not being as over powered as it was.

Citation needed. Our only utility was access to Virus and Eye for an Eye, and you\\'re usually gonna have a Scholar in your party who can E4E better than you anyway.

You gained

Super virus version of magic down

Devotion dps increase and damage down

Foes from garuda

Battle raise

Mana transfer

Apocostasis from blm

Etc.

You obviously havent payed attention to anything but potency reductions if all your listing is virus and e4e.

Also yes thats blms shtick it must not move to achieve its highest natural outout something summoner can do within 90% range regardless of if there\\'s movement or not.

Cherry picking single scenarios over all emcompassing situations is a bad argument at best.

[EllieShadeflare]

Cherry picking single scenarios over all emcompassing situations is a bad argument at best.

Can I just go over this and show why this is wrong,

Super virus version of magic down

Super Virus? You mean the magic half of our old virus, through Addle.

Devotion dps increase and damage down

Which was nerfed before release, if E3 has any legitimacy.

Foes from garuda

You... never paid attention to my other posts, because I point out the Garuda's Foe's Requiem, did you?

Battle raise

If you rely on this, your static, party or alliance had messed up beyond all belief.

Mana transfer

We're not giving you any of our MP. We don't have the MP to spare, beyond ourselves. Bug your Black Mage for MP.

Apocostasis from blm

You already lost the argument by using Mana Shift, you lost it further. Cross Role isn't job specific utility.

Part two of this post will be here in a bit.

[CecMiller]

You will largely see a lot of summoners posting because the truth is:

BLM is 100% completely fine. Summoner changes are not. I've mained both classed for savage raiding tier and Summoner more-so (to a high level) but I have cleared all the creator savage fights with BLM. BLM does 100% have superior single target. The advantage of summoner was largely its instant AOE deletion as it didn't have to wind up like a BLM does with cast times. Further still, downtimes in the savage fights meant summoners got mana refresh after spamming Ruin 3 and got their Aetherflow back meaning their single target was admittedly, very high as a result (god bless you if you died just after using aetherflow however). Most of the AOE was instant damage and to be honest, that's what I loved about summoner.

With the current changes we've seen at E3, I'll probably just be maining BLM as they look to do both AOE and Single Target better than summoner, but the main reason is that SMN looks completely boring to play! Not sure how RDM will pair up.

The argument that somehow Summoner should do less damage in both areas due to their utility is downright stupid however. Looking at the changes for Stormblood, as a BLM player, I'm content with the changes and have no reason to complain. Summoner changes are completely retarded for more reasons that one. The main one for me being the class becomes downright boring with the current changes. The AOE damage changes are whatever but I'm pretty sure BLM has summoner beat in that scenario in an extended multiple adds fight with the flare buff, AOE thunder and Foul being way more accessible and more frequent than Bahamut's Flare.

[IllyriaKnotfred]

Snip.

So I gotta ask. If RDM turns out to be even marginally stronger than BLM or SMN. Is that the deciding factor to you? Do you switch mains without a second thought?

[CecMiller]

So I gotta ask. If RDM turns out to be even marginally stronger than BLM or SMN. Is that the deciding factor to you? Do you switch mains without a second thought?

The deciding factor will almost always be how fun the class is to play. For BLM for me it was the big numbers. Nothing beats the explosions! I've loved BLM and love min-maxing savage fights so doing it with minimal movement via playing BLM will always be fun.

For RDM, to be honest, I haven't really looked into the class as much. What I do know is that their AOE is subpar (I think?) compared to BLM or SMN and they do drain mana. I haven't played RDM and so would only decide what I would prefer to play over how RDM plays. I know the feel of BLM and SMN from the savage tier so I kinda know gist of how they will play out in combat. RDM is a different beast but it should be fun learning a new class!

And in terms of if RDM was marginaly stronger than both BLM or SMN, I would say no. The class would have to be fun to play in savage fights for me to decide first and foremost. With summoner, I absolutely loved deleting the add phase of any fight. If the difference in strength between the casters is small, then I'd always play the one that I enjoyed in a particular fight the most!

[Neela]

So I gotta ask. If RDM turns out to be even marginally stronger than BLM or SMN. Is that the deciding factor to you? Do you switch mains without a second thought?

Unless you are in a very hardcore raid group- why does it matter which is the 'best'? Play what you enjoy playing the most.

Because most people (not pointing on you Cec more in general) want to claim "being meta" on their flag what's sad. Everytime a job gets op the cls community increased drastically Mnk, Ast, Drg, Smn now Blm... there will always be wtjs in every mmo who join top tier jobs cause of being top tier and not cause they actually really like the cls. And than there are the ones who actually fall in love with a certain cls who stick to them even in bad times like AAR Bards, AAR Smn, HW Whm etc. because they like everything around it story, design, gameplay and other points aside of pure numbers.

[Silverquick]

You gained

Super virus version of magic down

Devotion dps increase and damage down

Foes from garuda

Battle raise

Mana transfer

Apocostasis from blm

Etc.

Yeah but BLM has half of that too... So that's not limited to Summoner both get a lot of that.

....and Devotion is single target, I take it you've never used this pet interface before...

And the movement is no longer a problem for BLM... remember Enochian is always on, and now we can teleport instantly back to the Ley Lines... so even that doesn't hold true anymore.

Used to be that any kind of movement or heavy mechanics .... hosed up Enochian thus killilng any Fire IVs until your 60 second recast timer on Enochain reset.... not so anymore.