Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Fyce]

Because everyone is taking it out of context and only caring about the one-liner, try reading the entire response first.

There's nothing to take out of context. He didn't adress the elephant in the room, that's what people are saying.

He basically told everyone that theory crafting and feedback is completly pointless until we are actually doing raid content live. And then, and only then, shall we voice our concerns if something's wrong.
But the thing is: we don't need to be doing 4.0 raid content to know that the lily mechanic is bad.

We already know that the press tour build was old and that numerical values were changed already. We already know that WHM will be viable. But viable doesn't mean good, nor does it mean on par with other healers jobs. And it doesn't mean either that the lily mechanic was drastically changed to be something cool.

[Ayer2015]

Calm down WHMs.... calm down

[Saraphin]

Well, I guess with what we were given, or the lack thereof (or both, now that I think about it), I guess WHMs can rename the game...

"Final Fantasy 14: White Mage - The Fantasy that no player wanted or asked for."

It's made even more depressing when you realize that right in the beginning of the Conjurer quest lines, you are introduced to Sylphie. All she does is heal, and throughtout the CNJ quests, it's pointed out that THIS IS A BAD THING. Yet, what does Yoshi-P and his team want to do with WHM?
Then, 50-60 you're tasked with cleansing tainted aethers and becoming stronger in doing so...but they TAKE AWAY Esuna, which potentially means a WHM would not have the ability to purify, and give you nothing in which to "purify" or maintain a balance. Sure, you get stronger healing abilities, and that did complete the kit somewhat...just had nothing else.

This truly makes me have no confidence whatsoever that SE can change WHM for the better, both gameplay and lore wise.

...so...now they're going to have their own job/class quests bite them in the ass...and all they can do is go white and say "calm down".

[Verdan]

I'm not surprised that Yoshi simply said "please look forward to it," but I wish he didn't. The state of healers we were shown was real bad, that's why everyone was all upset. Just admitting that the build that we were shown was a bad version woulda been fine.

[Jxnibbles]

Let me get this right I remember hearing White Mages were for "Casual Players"..
A class that has about 21 abilities that only has the casual player in mind because it is consider "Easy"
A class built with the Casual Playerbase in mind, that is apparently the easiest "Healer". We can't complain or give feedback unless we do Raid Content.
Unless the player raids feedback is not needed? A game catered to the Casual, A class catered to the Casual, and apparently "Casuals" cant give feedback???

[Elamys]

So let me get this right I remember hearing White Mages were for "Casual Players"..
So a class that has about 21 abilities that only has the casual player in mind because it is consider "Easy"
Our opinions do not matter until we do Raiding/Savage content.
So a class built with the Casual Playerbase in mind, that is apparently the easiest "Healer". We can't complain or give feedback on unless we do Raid Content.
So unless the player raids feedback is not needed? A game catered to the Casual, A class catered to the Casual, and apparently "Casuals" cant give feedback???

Yoshi has never said this. What he DID say was that SAM was very strong, and a job for pros, leading some to believe that some classes are stronger based on their perceived difficulty of play. This has never been stated by any of the devs, certainly not specifically about WHM.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Let me get this right I remember hearing White Mages were for "Casual Players"..
A class that has about 21 abilities that only has the casual player in mind because it is consider "Easy"
A class built with the Casual Playerbase in mind, that is apparently the easiest "Healer". We can't complain or give feedback unless we do Raid Content.
Unless the player raids feedback is not needed? A game catered to the Casual, A class catered to the Casual, and apparently "Casuals" cant give feedback???

Yoshi never said WHM was casual. That's something we said because of it's weak but extremely simple toolkit.

[Jxnibbles]

It is still very worrying when he "Percieves Sam as a pro job"
A game catered to "Casuals"
Yet he wants players to do raid content/savage to understand actions and discover new ways of having these actions interact with other actions.
How is every player expected to Discover these new interactions?
How is every player suppose to give feedback and give thoughts when you dodge and deflect the question when asked?
Why do you have to do raiding content to understand? "More about a certain action and why they were done in a certain way"
Can he stop Dodging and Deflecting.

[Aurou]

It's made even more depressing when you realize that right in the beginning of the Conjurer quest lines, you are introduced to Sylphie. All she does is heal, and throughtout the CNJ quests, it's pointed out that THIS IS A BAD THING. Yet, what does Yoshi-P and his team want to do with WHM?

Then, 50-60 you're tasked with cleansing tainted aethers and becoming stronger in doing so...but they TAKE AWAY Esuna, which potentially means a WHM would not have the ability to purify, and give you nothing in which to "purify" or maintain a balance. Sure, you get stronger healing abilities, and that did complete the kit somewhat...just had nothing else.

This truly makes me have no confidence whatsoever that SE can change WHM for the better, both gameplay and lore wise.

The issue wasn't that she was just PURE HEALING. The issue was she wasn't drawing upon the aether of the land in order to do it. That is why she collasped. She was using her OWN aether in order to heal thinking sh would harm the Elementals in the Shroud.

Esuna isn't NEEDED to purify or cleanse the world of tainted aether. I seem to recall just spamming cure on things, and not using Esuna. Also, back to CNJR quests, you attacked the tainted aether and never once did you cast "esuna" in order to cleanse these. Lore is still intact.

Also, EVERY HEALING CLASS had their Esuna'esk ability taken from them, and Esuna wasn't gained from a class quest where you gain lore for earning it. All the CNJR quests were about drawing upon aether to use, where the girl DID NOT.

Esumiyan
I once taught you that conjurers harness the power of nature that we might bring about change. Earth, wind, water, healing─the principle is no different.
For the art of mending, we draw on the boundless life force of nature and bestow it upon the wounded. Sylphie has never sought to borrow from that bounty.
Her power to heal stems from her own life force. The vital energies of mortals are, however, finite...and now that which I most feared has come to pass.
Her mother unwittingly took her own life through the continued use of her healing skills.
And Sylphie's aptitude for the art is, if anything, even greater. Thus it is not unexpected that she should reach the limits of her strength at a much earlier age.
If we do not intervene, this terrible tragedy will be repeated, and I for one could not bear to see the child suffer the same fate as her mother...

[CaeliaCat]

First of all, thank you for a well worded question precisely addressing the concerns on WHM, Bayonne!

However, I found Naoki Yoshida's rambling, non-answer very disappointing.

Yes, we haven't played the job at 70 in new raid content, but the fact that a few weeks ago, the development team WASN'T EVEN CLOSE to addressing WHM's deficiencies does not lend confidence to the whole "wait and see" argument.

So either the development team completely redesigned how WHM functions in the span of a few weeks, added some form of raid utility, and fixed the lily system and confession stacks.. but won't talk about any of the changes..

OR they dropped the ball in the first place, are unwilling to admit their mistake, and are kicking the can hoping the complaints go away. I wonder which is more likely...