Why do Archers suck so bad against Ifrit?

[Shai]

Sup Shai. Can you link a vid with you taking a group with 2+ ARC's ftw? I'm not doubting you ( remember you from MK ), it's just that I have been looking/asking/hoping for a vid of someone taking a group showing ARC's even being viable in this fight. I'm sure that the other DD would be LNC/MRD but that OK, just seeing a pair of ARC's downing Ifrit would be awesome.

I've only ever (at most) had 1 ARC & 1 PGL in a party (2 LNC, Glad tank), but I guess we could try. Do you play ARC and can you dodge? I don't really know 2 ARC that are geared at the moment due to the great ARC nerf of 2011. I'd need someone to video capture it, too.

I wasn't posting to brag or anything. I don't usually do "challenge runs" and video it or brag about it. I'm just saying it can be done and if your LS refuse to bring you because you don't have LNC or Sentinel, (and again if they are winning every day without you, not just learning the fight) I would say the problem lies in your LS.

I guess I could think about it if my guy who video's fights is on board.

[Gemma]

If anything PGL needs some attention. Not saying other jobs don't, just saying I can't recall PGL ever getting a break.
Kinda sad I <3 PGL. I didn't even get to do Darkhold yet cause no one ever wanted PGL only ARC.

So yea think PGL needs some love too ; ;

[Jinko]

If anything PGL needs some attention. Not saying other jobs don't, just saying I can't recall PGL ever getting a break.
Kinda sad I <3 PGL. I didn't even get to do Darkhold yet cause no one ever wanted PGL only ARC.

So yea think PGL needs some love too ; ;

Moogle could be your chance to shine lol

[Neasa]

Problem is, SE keeps wanting PUG to tank, but the playerbase doesn't see them that way. :\

[Defmetal]

They could fix Pug by giving it the ability to evade seer (in the same way Thief could evade AoEs). Even if it came at reduced TP generation. (IE give the ability to dodge AoEs, and get less TP per hit or less damage, there has to be some tradeoff). Of course make it a pug only skill

They could fix archer by removing animation lock. Even if Archer deals less damage, it's still safer to bring if they had no lock. Because they could draw a lot of hate for eruptions, and have the eruptions not near the mages or the melee, able to easily sidestep.

Of course they should remove animation lock for all classes period. Even for spells. Just add Interuptions if a mage moves and the problem is solved. Almost no other MMO freezes your character if they use abilities except maybe Guild Wars or FF11 (and even then most people used a JA0Wait)

[Frein]

Don't "adjust balance" by nerfing Lancer. Adjust it by buffing those who need it.

And then when you overdo one class, you again buff everyone else to even it out? Can you say "power creep"?

It's a lie that nerfs are always a bad way to balance a game simply because players feel bad when their class is weakened (class balance is relative, so it's just an illusion anyway). Following a no-nerf policy will lead to characters slowly but uncontrollably growing more and more powerful.

[Coldbrand]

And then when you overdo one class, you again buff everyone else to even it out? Can you say "power creep"?

It's a lie that nerfs are always a bad way to balance a game simply because players feel bad when their class is weakened (class balance is relative, so it's just an illusion anyway). Following a no-nerf policy will lead to characters slowly but uncontrollably growing more and more powerful.

Power creep rules. I want an extremely high power level, competition between two broken things is infinitely more fun than competition between two lame things. Marvel Vs Capcom 2 > Street Fighter 4. Legacy > Standard.

All nerfing does is create an endless stream of flavors of the month.

[Eldaena]

Isn't there a tactic using archers out there to defeat Ifrit? I swore I heard one. Anyway, really any class can be in that fight as long as they know what to do. Archers can stay at the distance lancers do and work the same way to avoid all of Ifrit's ridiculousness. I'm sure bloodletter would be welcomed and their larger mp pools to raise or heal other melee that may need it is an added benefit as well.

[Nayt]

Power creep rules. I want an extremely high power level, competition between two broken things is infinitely more fun than competition between two lame things. Marvel Vs Capcom 2 > Street Fighter 4. Legacy > Standard.

All nerfing does is create an endless stream of flavors of the month.

You're really comparing this with an outright fighting game?

What's the point of keeping so bloody high numbers, just for the sake of it? 100 damage when the monster has 1000 hp is
still as much as 10000 damage when they have 100000.

It's less of a sore in the eyes if the numbers are low when you want to make calculations.

[Zarvlad]

Power creep rules. I want an extremely high power level, competition between two broken things is infinitely more fun than competition between two lame things. Marvel Vs Capcom 2 > Street Fighter 4. Type 1 (a.k.a Vintage) > Standard.

All nerfing does is create an endless stream of flavors of the month.

Fixed it for you