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  1. #21
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    XiXiQ's Avatar
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    Xixi Eclipse
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    Ravana
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    Black Mage changes are solid honestly. Very little complaints. Then again it's Yoshida's main job class so of course everything looks good on it ofc.
    BLM was dreadful in HW - not because of the rotations, because of the mechanics it was commonly presented with - it's long overdue for fixing.
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  2. #22
    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by XiXiQ View Post
    BLM was dreadful in HW - not because of the rotations, because of the mechanics it was commonly presented with - it's long overdue for fixing.
    *BLM was dreadful in HW because of things not related to the job class*

    K.

    If anything the only issue was Ley Lines being too small and it still is.
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  3. #23
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    Kaiser Sturmwind
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    Famfrit
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    Marauder Lv 50
    BLM mobility never was much of an issue when you were familiar with the job and the fights. And with more spell speed, you could get away with finishing more casts at the last possible moment before dodging an attack. And it also helps if you stand on the edge of your leylines instead of in the center of it. I think the BLM mobility issues were always greatly overstated, but now with a leylines teleport and a triple swiftcast on top of swiftcast, mobility isn't even an issue.

    As such, I don't think that's a good argument against RDM having good single target damage. And as it is now, BLM looks far and away one of the strongest AoE jobs period. Hopefully the potency numbers will be adjusted for RDM since the media build was old or the AoE will be less abysmal upon release.
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  4. #24
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    Xixi Eclipse
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    Ravana
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    *BLM was dreadful in HW because of things not related to the job class*
    The classes need to work with the mechanics. BLM never did in HW. Thankfully that entire debate is moot now.
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  5. #25
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    Rin Tin
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    Sargatanas
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    Archer Lv 80
    While BLM is the strongest caster, it's not the right comparison to be making. The others have lowered damage for more utility.
    The class that has as little utility , if not less, is Samurai. It's impossible to say right now because numbers can change, but Samurai has been calculated to do more damage all around.

    But don't get me wrong, it looks good and fun to play. I don't think there's a class so bad no one should play it. Just play what you like.
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    Last edited by xNewbx; 06-12-2017 at 01:47 AM.

  6. #26
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    Len Orlan
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    Excalibur
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    Summoner Lv 100
    I like how nobody's trying to argue that Summoner won't lag behind both Black Mage & Red Mage. It's sad.

    Who wants to be the inferior caster that makes everyone else's damage better?
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  7. #27
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    Waliel Hla
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    Cerberus
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Len View Post
    Who wants to be the inferior caster that makes everyone else's damage better?
    You can imagine everyone is your pet while you're buffing them.
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    Yoshi-P is doing his best and is patching Endwalker. Please wait warmly until it is ready.

  8. #28
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    Hagen Sankrysse
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    Adamantoise
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Len View Post
    I like how nobody's trying to argue that Summoner won't lag behind both Black Mage & Red Mage. It's sad.

    Who wants to be the inferior caster that makes everyone else's damage better?
    Because it won't be behind other casters. Seriously all these "SMN Nerf" are starting to get annoying. Go read Hai Hai piece on what SMN might actually be like in SB and wait for release so we can know the full potencies.
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  9. #29
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    Smn is not getting the most nerfs though. HW blm aoe was nerfed as was other spells, Sb we are getting Fire 2 nerfed.
    I honestly think all 3 jobs, Red, blm and smn will be close to each other damage wise, granted Red Mage aoe sounds like it will be on the low end, even behind SAM...
    People like to cry and argue when none has had enough time with the jobs yet. Everyone is going by what those fortunate enough to try the jobs at the conference but it is certainly as hell not enough to say oh this job sucks, bleh bleh. When people actually are able to level the jobs and run actual content, then and only then we can see real results
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  10. #30
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    Famfrit
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Maero View Post
    Smn is not getting the most nerfs though. HW blm aoe was nerfed as was other spells, Sb we are getting Fire 2 nerfed.
    I really don't understand why everyone is only latching on to the smallest nerf to BLM when it's getting Umbral Hearts to cast multiple Flares in a row without going MP=0, a triple swiftcast for said flares, Foul, and an AoE thunder spell that also procs thundercloud. I'll take the small potency loss on Fire 2 for all of that because it's a huge net gain.
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