How's BLM looking?

[Silverquick]

Blm is getting it's higher aoe back yes, but it had been nerfed in hw, c'est la vie.
I do not think smn will be so far behind like some of you are making it seem.
Opinions will matter more once people are actually able to try out with the new changes and do content, not just going by reading tooltips(which are often mis-translated) or by those that have tried at the conference.
For all we know the actual potencies could be wrong....
Anyways you people are too focused on what we do not even know with 100% certainty, lol

Well the people that tried it at the conference and showed their numbers in the videos... were doing level 60 damage... with a 70th level character... so that's a bad sign right there...

While its true the Tooltips could be in error... I'd expect one or two... not all of them.

But to list them...

Ruin 3: down to 150 potency from 200.
Ruin 4: at 200 (DPS we do at 60th currently)... but only a 15% chance to proc
Tri Disaster only includes two buffs at level 60 for 70 potency per tick... used to be 3 DoTs for 110 potency. No longer a 3rd stacked DoT.
Bane: Now does -20% per target down to -80% per target... combined with the DoT nerf its completely unusable.
Bliz 2: no longer available loss of 75 potency per 3 seconds spammed on top of DoTs
Miasma 2: no longer available AoE total 70 potency stacked on DoTs

It combines for an enormous loss of sustained damage. And an estimated 60% or more dps loss from BANE when combined with the missing DoT. Playing this thing level synced will be impossible at this point unless it changes. Now you only have a whopping 2 Painflares, a Mega Nerfed Bane, and one Deathflare in an AoE cycle.

So about a 30% DPS loss or more on DoTs. (not including loss of Miasma II or the Bliz 2 spam, or BANE).

The pet has Maim and Mend on it now but that's the only thing making up any Single Target damage at this point. And its not even close to being able to bring it back up to the level of Single Target DPS lost.

The AoE damage has been crippled... with the BANE nerf and removal of Miasma II, Contagion, and Bliz 2. Once the Summoner has spent his 2 Painflares (200 potency) and Deathflare (440 potency)... he's spent.. and done.

The BLM by contrast now has been buffed... Fire 2 + Thunder II alone when combined with Flare and possible Triplecast as was brought up here, is going to outstrip it... AND can be done over and over again... once the SMN spends his Painflares and Deathflare... he's done.

DPS won't even be remotely close anymore... as to where previously BLM and SMN were fairly close to each other, one stronger in Single Target, the other Stronger in AoE...

The Bahamut Summon is buried behind 3 Aetherflow stacks at 1 minute CD each. So it won't even be a factor in the long run. So basically SMN will do nerfed damage the majority of the time... and then for 20 seconds every 3 minutes be able to do some enhanced damage

Summoner now hits bottom of the pile. I seriously doubt it can even beat Red Mage in Single Target. So no... the BLM actually got mega buffed, and they're no longer even competitive with each other.

I am hoping either the Tooltips were in serious error... or the Devs reverse course before launch...

Barring that, its no contest... BLM will be my main.

[Kryzen]

BLM thread turns into SMN qq thread.

[Neela]

BLM thread turns into SMN qq thread.

good luck everyone :3 *grabmybookheadingbacktothebeach*

[Silverquick]

BLM thread turns into SMN qq thread.

Well I wouldn't worry too much...

I doubt that soon there will be many Summoners left after the changes... but who knows.

[Neela]

*facepalm*

[MagiusNecros]

Considering Summoner is just Super Arcanist I do think the lore saying SMN went extinct is entirely accurate. Besides Bane nerf and loss of contagion means SMN got shat on and all about muh Bahamut now.

Now let's move back to the Ley Lines and get back to BLM mmmkay.

[Remedi]

I don't think SMN should be so worried about anything considering they bring more group utility with devotion and contagion/ifrit's shield, one might say that BLM should be worried since there is no utility that they can bring outside mana battery, but we'll see

[Silverquick]

I think that's the complete opposite... Honestly the BLM DPS addition is huge.

When I jump in to parties under the current system... I do see remarks like... "oh its a BLM this will be fast". They just instantly know the DPS will be good.

I get those as well on SMN but usually that has to do with how fast I clear trash packs which is where I get most of my Coms.... not whether I can Resurrect or not.

I think the only time I got Coms as a SMN for support abilities were actually back in early level dungeons when I took over for a crappy healer who kept dying or couldn't heal properly. I've raised half the alliance before in Raids and no one even noticed really. But boy do they notice when you clear out Trash packs.

Honestly I don't think they even notice the support side, I got just as many Coms on BLM and there that's really all you can do is DPS.

I suppose if you were the main healer it would be different, but there's no way in hell a DPS class can queue in the healer queue... and no way in hell SMN healing is ever going to be strong enough for that.

[Remedi]

well SMN do buff magic dmg so in a way a BLM or a RDM will love a SMN buddy, that said it could be that a melee comp made to buff SAM dps will be better, point is it's too early to say anything, we only know that having a higher personal dps might not be enough, although considering the game is made so that 80% of coomps can clear it fine, I wouldn't be that worried

[Neela]

Raids my dear... she most probably meant savage endgame raids... that's where utility matters not the alliance raids you can run and clear daily with randoms... *sigh*