How's BLM looking?

[Psycofang]

I like how nobody\\'s trying to argue that Summoner won\\'t lag behind both Black Mage & Red Mage. It\\'s sad.

Who wants to be the inferior caster that makes everyone else\\'s damage better?

Because ppl are tired of trying to calm down the chicken littles, better to just let them burn out and be wrong than argue with a wall.

I really don\\'t understand why everyone is only latching on to the smallest nerf to BLM when it\\'s getting Umbral Hearts to cast multiple Flares in a row without going MP=0, a triple swiftcast for said flares, Foul, and an AoE thunder spell that also procs thundercloud. I\\'ll take the small potency loss on Fire 2 for all of that because it\\'s a huge net gain.

Im positive that tool tip for flare is wrong hut regardless yeah blm aoe is possibly the most potent of all classes. At current with UH by f2 f2 flare flare alone beats old f2 f2 f2 flare by 237 potency.

[Silverquick]

I really don't understand why everyone is only latching on to the smallest nerf to BLM when it's getting Umbral Hearts to cast multiple Flares in a row without going MP=0, a triple swiftcast for said flares, Foul, and an AoE thunder spell that also procs thundercloud. I'll take the small potency loss on Fire 2 for all of that because it's a huge net gain.

Yeah its not even really a nerf... its actually a buff...

Losing 20 potency on Fire II, but gaining 30 potency in Thunder 2 as it now Becomes an AoE... means BLM actually went from 100 potency Fire II down to 80... to now using Fire II (80)+ Thunder II (30) for a total of 110 potency.

So its actually a decent AoE buff, not even including the Flare idea you're talking about.

AND it procs on top of that... and we all know the type of damage a single Proc will add on too.

[Maero]

I really don't understand why everyone is only latching on to the smallest nerf to BLM when it's getting Umbral Hearts to cast multiple Flares in a row without going MP=0, a triple swiftcast for said flares, Foul, and an AoE thunder spell that also procs thundercloud. I'll take the small potency loss on Fire 2 for all of that because it's a huge net gain.

My point was not that exactly it was moreso to the user almost complaining that smn would be left so far in the dust when it is NOT. All jobs are getting some sort of nerfs

[Silverquick]

My point was not that exactly it was moreso to the user almost complaining that smn would be left so far in the dust when it is NOT. All jobs are getting some sort of nerfs

No actually BLM got an AoE mega buff... that's the point. There were no nerfs.

[Silverquick]

Go read Hai Hai piece on what SMN might actually be like in SB and wait for release so we can know the full potencies.

I did read it, and was unimpressed.

Still I am only waiting until launch to see if they undo the SMN nerfs... if they do not...

Well then the easy choice is BLM main. I will probably try Red Mage to see how it plays out, but SMN will not even be competitive at this point.

[Neela]

My point was not that exactly it was moreso to the user almost complaining that smn would be left so far in the dust when it is NOT. All jobs are getting some sort of nerfs

THANK U thank you very much. Im so sry for the Blm community... and im not talking bout skillchanges : /

[NovaLevossida]

My point was not that exactly it was moreso to the user almost complaining that smn would be left so far in the dust when it is NOT. All jobs are getting some sort of nerfs

That's like the complete opposite of what is happening. SMN had a birthday and BLM took its presents. That's the kind of level of what's happening here. Not sure why you don't see that.

[Maero]

Blm is getting it's higher aoe back yes, but it had been nerfed in hw, c'est la vie.
I do not think smn will be so far behind like some of you are making it seem.
Opinions will matter more once people are actually able to try out with the new changes and do content, not just going by reading tooltips (which are often mis-translated) or by those that have tried at the conference.
For all we know the actual potencies could be wrong....
Anyways you people are too focused on what we do not even know with 100% certainty, lol

[Silverquick]

Blm is getting it's higher aoe back yes, but it had been nerfed in hw, c'est la vie.
I do not think smn will be so far behind like some of you are making it seem.
Opinions will matter more once people are actually able to try out with the new changes and do content, not just going by reading tooltips(which are often mis-translated) or by those that have tried at the conference.
For all we know the actual potencies could be wrong....
Anyways you people are too focused on what we do not even know with 100% certainty, lol

Well the people that tried it at the conference and showed their numbers in the videos... were doing level 60 damage... with a 70th level character... so that's a bad sign right there...

While its true the Tooltips could be in error... I'd expect one or two... not all of them.

But to list them...

Ruin 3: down to 150 potency from 200.
Ruin 4: at 200 (DPS we do at 60th currently)... but only a 15% chance to proc
Tri Disaster only includes two buffs at level 60 for 70 potency per tick... used to be 3 DoTs for 110 potency. No longer a 3rd stacked DoT.
Bane: Now does -20% per target down to -80% per target... combined with the DoT nerf its completely unusable.
Bliz 2: no longer available loss of 75 potency per 3 seconds spammed on top of DoTs
Miasma 2: no longer available AoE total 70 potency stacked on DoTs

It combines for an enormous loss of sustained damage. And an estimated 60% or more dps loss from BANE when combined with the missing DoT. Playing this thing level synced will be impossible at this point unless it changes. Now you only have a whopping 2 Painflares, a Mega Nerfed Bane, and one Deathflare in an AoE cycle.

So about a 30% DPS loss or more on DoTs. (not including loss of Miasma II or the Bliz 2 spam, or BANE).

The pet has Maim and Mend on it now but that's the only thing making up any Single Target damage at this point. And its not even close to being able to bring it back up to the level of Single Target DPS lost.

The AoE damage has been crippled... with the BANE nerf and removal of Miasma II, Contagion, and Bliz 2. Once the Summoner has spent his 2 Painflares (200 potency) and Deathflare (440 potency)... he's spent.. and done.

The BLM by contrast now has been buffed... Fire 2 + Thunder II alone when combined with Flare and possible Triplecast as was brought up here, is going to outstrip it... AND can be done over and over again... once the SMN spends his Painflares and Deathflare... he's done.

DPS won't even be remotely close anymore... as to where previously BLM and SMN were fairly close to each other, one stronger in Single Target, the other Stronger in AoE...

The Bahamut Summon is buried behind 3 Aetherflow stacks at 1 minute CD each. So it won't even be a factor in the long run. So basically SMN will do nerfed damage the majority of the time... and then for 20 seconds every 3 minutes be able to do some enhanced damage

Summoner now hits bottom of the pile. I seriously doubt it can even beat Red Mage in Single Target. So no... the BLM actually got mega buffed, and they're no longer even competitive with each other.

I am hoping either the Tooltips were in serious error... or the Devs reverse course before launch...

Barring that, its no contest... BLM will be my main.

[Kryzen]

BLM thread turns into SMN qq thread.