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    Reynhart's Avatar
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    Jul 2011
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    Ul'Dah
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    Character
    Reynhart Kristensen
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by FallenWings View Post
    "Hey why is your aggro so gosh darn high?"
    Because I'm the most powerful personal DPS and thus, I'm doing my job
    Quote Originally Posted by FallenWings View Post
    Yeah... I'd much rather play with a MNK/DRG/NIN/BLM/SMN/BRD/MCH... "We can boost yours and our own damage!" Nice!
    Even if what MNK offers as a damage boost for the whole party is weaker than what the SAM does on its own ? Because that's clearly the idea behind SAM.
    Quote Originally Posted by FallenWings View Post
    The slight issue with spectrum scaling is that, the massive raid utility class becomes stronger and stronger the larger the party and the major personal DPS gets weaker and weaker the larger the party becomes. So it's a case of SAM op in dungeons but terrible in raids but Dancer(Placeholder) is god-like and virtually mandatory in raids.
    Except that a job with raid utility will also increase the damage of the selfish DPS. If your Dancer increase eveybody's damage by 30%, then it's better to pair it with a SAM.
    Quote Originally Posted by FallenWings View Post
    You don't need a tank stance to exist since the numbers can be tuned on the jobs entire toolkit instead.
    Yes, you do. Tanks need to do significantly less damage than DPS in group composition, or else, DPS are useless. But if a tank does too little damage, then killing stuff in solo content is boring as hell. So, what do you do ? Give them decent DPS in solo but force them to reduce it in group content.
    Quote Originally Posted by FallenWings View Post
    Why do I need to create more aggro if it does absolutely gosh darn nothing?
    In that case, it does something. It allows the SAM to do its optimal DPS without being killed instantly as retaliation.
    Quote Originally Posted by aleph_null View Post
    Being optimal on an individual level is different from being optimal in a group.
    As a tank, doing the optimal DPS is very different from being optimal. I think more and more people forget about that.

    Let me be perfectly clear, sitting on your tank stance 24/7 building so much aggro that you could AFK without losing the boss is useless, and shouldn't be enforced. But, having a higher aggro requirement to let the DPS do their optimal job is more important and more centric to a tank job than doing your personal best DPS.
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 06-11-2017 at 07:30 PM.