Ninja

[Klarkus]

Edit: Revising again, in order to make Bhavacakra happen first within the TA window, I offer you this one:
Huton > Hide > Suiton [Prepull]
SE > GS > SF(Mug) > SE(Kas) > GS(TA) > AE(Raiton) > SE(DwaD) > GS(Duality) > AE(Bhava) [about 18 seconds at 2s GCD]
No idea where to put the Pot tho, as the time constrain for TA is already very tight there... :/

So are you waiting for a kassatsu to do the full rotation again? You can get 2 trick attacks in before you do this rotation again but I don't think it's worth using mug/duality/bha until kassatsu is ready?

Also when do you use TCJ?

[Adelaide3]

Also when do you use TCJ?

Ten Chi Jin is used alongside your second Trick Attack and the Ninki gauge should fill up again by the time TA comes off of cooldown. The reasoning for this is so that we don't have to clip our GCD by hard casting Suiton. Also, we get to use Bhavacakra again for our third Ninki charge. I'm pretty sure this is going to be a DPS gain.

edit, I also altered the build in my other post

[Laflama_Blanca]

Ten Chi Jin is used alongside your second Trick Attack and the Ninki gauge should fill up again by the time TA comes off of cooldown. The reasoning for this is so that we don't have to clip our GCD by hard casting Suiton. Also, we get to use Bhavacakra again for our third Ninki charge. I'm pretty sure this is going to be a DPS gain.

edit, I also altered the build in my other post

With regards to Bhavacakra vs TCJ on the opener. The winner between these two will be largely dependent on encounter length and design. TCJ opener starts ahead, Bhava opener pulls even at 160 ninki, Bhava opener takes the lead at 240 ninki (when it's on 2nd Bhava vs frog), and they even up again at 320 ninki, repeating thereafter. This is only taking into effect the ninki moves themselves and not how they work with the rest of the rotation. Running the numbers on the Bhava opener you posted vs my opener they are very close after the 2nd ninki. My opener still has a potency lead, which it will maintain until 240 ninki*. This is discounting the effect of potion which is harder to put a potency value on - having TCJ boosted by pot in the opener is also a nice bonus.

*edit: tbh I haven't run the numbers to 240 ninki, so that's just an assumption.

[Arkenne]

With regards to Bhavacakra vs TCJ on the opener. The winner between these two will be largely dependent on encounter length and design.

Gotta agree that it'll depend on the battle design... and also there are other factors to take into account...

I am pretty sure the opener will differ if we already have 100 Ninki for example. Or slightly different if we have like 30 or so.
We've yet to see what happens to Ninki if we wipe, does it go back to 0? or will it retain its current number? or will we res with the bar maxed out??
My bet is on the 1st :/

[Arkenne]

Also when do you use TCJ?

Personally I am going for the Ninki cycle of TenCJ > Bhava > Frog > Bhava > Repeat.
I wrote that opener as to help Adelaide3 with their version. I mean, its not like I'm looking for the perfect opener and personally I like to have multiple options.
What if for whatever reason TenCJ isn't ready for the pull and I'm at 0 Ninki? Or what if I know the boss has an add phase at 1 minute later mark? I really would prefer to delay TenCJ there.

Also there are stuff still in the dark about TenCJ... like what happens if mudras were on cooldown? They reset, yea, but can we cast 3 Ninjutsus still? or only 2?
If 3, we don't wanna use TenCJ while mudras are off cooldown, neither with Kassatsu. If 2... well thats more reasonable as the former sounds op.

[Adelaide3]

The build I will be using: http://ffxivrotations.com/qph (Hyoton=Bhavacakra)

The build I made for everyone else: http://ffxivrotations.com/qpk (TJC{katon/doton}) *edited because potion was in wrong spot
You have to hard cast Suiton for your first three Trick Attacks so it's just awful imo.

Trick Attack here is within eight gcd's, if waiting on the ninjitsu timer it would be at like ten or eleven gcd's and that threshold is too high in relation to the timing that we want to hit TA at. The only other option to using Kassatsu on Ten Chi Jin is if we don't use Raiton at the beginning and save it for the basic Suiton cast. It might be a dps Increase though, here's the alteraton:http://ffxivrotations.com/qpr

edit*1/2 I guess now that I think about this second build, I like it more and more. Just have to pair them up against eachother once SB launches. Nine global cooldowns + Mug is what it takes to reach 80 Ninki unless I made a mistake.