Ninja

[Laflama_Blanca]

Well, in the Avalonstar video, he uses Ten Chi Jin, his ninjutsu cooldown resets to 0, and then he uses a successful 3 mudra huton followed by repeated bunnying. The fact that he was able to use a 3 mudra huton suggests that upon casting ten chi jin the mudra combination is cleared in addition to ninjutsu cooldown being reset, otherwise his huton should have failed as a 6 mudra combination (since he also used huton as his ninjutsu 10 seconds prior). His subsequent ninjutsus failed because they registered as 4+ mudra combinations.

[Arkenne]

Well, in the Avalonstar video, he uses Ten Chi Jin, his ninjutsu cooldown resets to 0, and then he uses a successful 3 mudra huton followed by repeated bunnying. The fact that he was able to use a 3 mudra huton suggests that upon casting ten chi jin the mudra combination is cleared in addition to ninjutsu cooldown being reset, otherwise his huton should have failed as a 6 mudra combination (since he also used huton as his ninjutsu 10 seconds prior). His subsequent ninjutsus failed because they registered as 4+ mudra combinations.

We'll have to see, if thats really the case Ten Chi Jin should never be used while Mudras are off CD, neither along with Kassatsu.

[Adelaide3]

Yea, that's precisely why I placed suiton inbetween GCDs instead of prepull so as to take advantage of the clipping and have more opportunities for auto-attacks to happen.
'Tis true that clipping GCDs is a DPS loss, but in order to make everything fit in at the opener, taking some advantage of clipping GCDs for the sake of more autoattacks may be valid... only in the opener tho.


Edit: Revising again, in order to make Bhavacakra happen first within the TA window, I offer you this one:
Huton > Hide > Suiton [Prepull]
SE > GS > SF(Mug) > SE(Kas) > GS(TA) > AE(Raiton) > SE(DwaD) > GS(Duality) > AE(Bhava) [about 18 seconds at 2s GCD]
No idea where to put the Pot tho, as the time constrain for TA is already very tight there... :/

Thank you for this, helped me envision the whole picture better.

http://ffxivrotations.com/qoo(Hyoton symbolizes Bhavacakra and no more off global cooldowns are factored in past this point)

Huton>Hide>Suiton />Spinning Edge>Kassatsu>Gust Slash>Dex Potion>Shadow Fang>Mug>Spinning Edge>Jugulate>Gust Slash>Trick Attack>Aeolian Edge>Raiton>Spinning Edge>Dream within a Dream>Gust Slash>Duality>Aeolian Edge>Bhavacakra.

Edit* Fixed some things. I Wanted to steer away a little from what you posted but it didn't work out too well.

Edit*2 http://ffxivrotations.com/qph Better version that puts Mug on cooldown right away and Dex potion a couple gcd's later and gets Jugulate into TA.
Suiton/>SE>Mug>GS>Kass>SF>SE>Pot>GS>TA+Duality>AE>Raiton>SE>DwaD+Jug>GS>AE>Bhavacakra (T-C-J for second Trick Attack application)

If a boss fight has more than one mob at the start, use either TCJ with Katon/Doton or Frog instead of Bhavacakra depending.

[SuperNoob]

Hi fellow ninja. I really no want to leave ninja. I had been maining this since mid arr... its my second job since I realise tanking as pld is stressful.

Had done endgame with this... flow so smooth...

[Arkenne]

Well, its true that the GCD rotation for NIN got so simple that is plain (and painfully) dead easy.
From all the melees, its the one with the least combos now :/
It's something so weird given the double daggers and all...
Oh well, at least we are magical~♪ (I guess?)

[Klarkus]

Edit: Revising again, in order to make Bhavacakra happen first within the TA window, I offer you this one:
Huton > Hide > Suiton [Prepull]
SE > GS > SF(Mug) > SE(Kas) > GS(TA) > AE(Raiton) > SE(DwaD) > GS(Duality) > AE(Bhava) [about 18 seconds at 2s GCD]
No idea where to put the Pot tho, as the time constrain for TA is already very tight there... :/

So are you waiting for a kassatsu to do the full rotation again? You can get 2 trick attacks in before you do this rotation again but I don't think it's worth using mug/duality/bha until kassatsu is ready?

Also when do you use TCJ?

[Adelaide3]

Also when do you use TCJ?

Ten Chi Jin is used alongside your second Trick Attack and the Ninki gauge should fill up again by the time TA comes off of cooldown. The reasoning for this is so that we don't have to clip our GCD by hard casting Suiton. Also, we get to use Bhavacakra again for our third Ninki charge. I'm pretty sure this is going to be a DPS gain.

edit, I also altered the build in my other post

[Arkenne]

Also when do you use TCJ?

Personally I am going for the Ninki cycle of TenCJ > Bhava > Frog > Bhava > Repeat.
I wrote that opener as to help Adelaide3 with their version. I mean, its not like I'm looking for the perfect opener and personally I like to have multiple options.
What if for whatever reason TenCJ isn't ready for the pull and I'm at 0 Ninki? Or what if I know the boss has an add phase at 1 minute later mark? I really would prefer to delay TenCJ there.

Also there are stuff still in the dark about TenCJ... like what happens if mudras were on cooldown? They reset, yea, but can we cast 3 Ninjutsus still? or only 2?
If 3, we don't wanna use TenCJ while mudras are off cooldown, neither with Kassatsu. If 2... well thats more reasonable as the former sounds op.

[Adelaide3]

The build I will be using: http://ffxivrotations.com/qph (Hyoton=Bhavacakra)

The build I made for everyone else: http://ffxivrotations.com/qpk (TJC{katon/doton}) *edited because potion was in wrong spot
You have to hard cast Suiton for your first three Trick Attacks so it's just awful imo.

Trick Attack here is within eight gcd's, if waiting on the ninjitsu timer it would be at like ten or eleven gcd's and that threshold is too high in relation to the timing that we want to hit TA at. The only other option to using Kassatsu on Ten Chi Jin is if we don't use Raiton at the beginning and save it for the basic Suiton cast. It might be a dps Increase though, here's the alteraton:http://ffxivrotations.com/qpr

edit*1/2 I guess now that I think about this second build, I like it more and more. Just have to pair them up against eachother once SB launches. Nine global cooldowns + Mug is what it takes to reach 80 Ninki unless I made a mistake.

[Arkenne]

Most likely, yes, one needs aprox 9 GCDs to get to the 80 Ninki with Mug.

Its killing me the unknown factor of what happens with TenCJ if Mudras are on CD tho...
Because if TenCJ enables 3 Ninjutsus even if its on CD, it means 5 Jutsus in a row... Natural + Kassatsu + 3 TenCJ
But if it doesn't...