Samurai Discussion

[Yorumi]

im pretty sure converting 3 sen into kenki is a dps loss over the course of a fight and should be avoided

It's been mathed out like mad, use hagakure every chance you get.

[Daioh]

im pretty sure converting 3 sen into kenki is a dps loss over the course of a fight and should be avoided

It's been mathed out like mad, use hagakure every chance you get.

As Yorumi has pointed out Hagakure will bring more DPS according to this reddit post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ort=confidence

The only times using Hagakure is a loss is if: You use it with less then 3 Sen open,or you use it when you have more then 40 Kenki. Your goal is to use with 3 Sen and obtain 60 Kenki,as described in the reddit post the general rule to compare Hissatsu: Shinten as 25 Kenki = 300 Potency,meaning 5 Kenki = 60 Potency

[Sai-Kon]

It' s the highest potency opener from all the simulations I have done. Important thing to note: If you plug this opener to the Excel doc made by the Reddit guy, you will get a wrong result because the spreadsheet doesn't take into account WAR's "Maim" and hence it doesn't buff anything with Slashing Resistance up until casting Yukikaze. We are pretty similar to HW Ninja in the sense that our opener will depend upon WAR applying the Slashing Debuff for us so that we don't have to start rotation with Hakaze-Yukikaze and lose potency.

The rotation is not perfect yet and I still have to run multiple simulations with what we learned here. However, if we can say one thing for certain is that Hakaze-Jinpu-Gekko-Iaijutsu (Higanbana) is the best way to start our opener, and then opting for Shifu-Kasha combo, leaving Yukikaze for the end since "Maim" will still be up. So now you have a basic foundation to build on. Where you put Hagakure and Meikyo Shisui in the opener will be the deciding factor.

[PROBOUND]

It' s the highest potency opener from all the simulations I have done. Important thing to note: If you plug this opener to the Excel doc made by the Reddit guy, you will get a wrong result because the spreadsheet doesn't take into account WAR's "Maim"

The opener that was posted by Daioh, he is prioritizing using Yukikaze due to the 3-Sen needed for Hagakure and not necessarily the debuff. I can see issues of overlapping debuff's in the future due to this. Sam would be overwriting Maim out of necessity as there is no other way to attain 3 Sen without the use of Yukikaze (regardless of when the warrior uses it during the opener).

Edit: corrected, Maim changed in SB

[ShaolinMike]

Storm's Eye is the Warrior skill that applies the Slashing debuff (not Maim) which is the 3rd GCD. Also in the opener that was posted by Daioh, is prioritizing using Yukikaze due to the Sen needed for Hagakure and not necessarily the debuff. I can see issues of overlapping debuff's in the future due to this. Sam would be overwriting Storm's Eye out of necessity.

No, it's being changed in Stormblood. Main will apply the debuff.

[PROBOUND]

No, it's being changed in Stormblood. Main will apply the debuff.

Ahh thanks for the correction.

[Sai-Kon]

The opener that was posted by Daioh, he is prioritizing using Yukikaze due to the 3-Sen needed for Hagakure and not necessarily the debuff. I can see issues of overlapping debuff's in the future due to this. Sam would be overwriting Maim out of necessity as there is no other way to attain 3 Sen without the use of Yukikaze (regardless of when the warrior uses it during the opener).

Edit: corrected, Maim changed in SB

Yes, as I said in a previous post it is not like you completely avoid Yukikaze. You will eventually cast it. However, it is a DPS loss going for Hakaze-Yukikaze first given that the WAR is going to open his DPS rotation with Heavy Swing-Maim (Maim applies the Slashing Debuff now in Stormblood). So having two people casting Slashing Resistance at the same time doesn't give us any benefit. WAR is forced to open his rotation with Heavy Swing-Maim, while SAM can theoretically open with any of the 3 combos ( 1. Jinpu-Gekko, 2. Shifu-Kasha, 3. Yukikaze), but number 1 combo (Jinpu-Gekko) happens to be the most beneficial DPS wise. After that one it is better to opt for the second (Shifu-Kasha) and finally casting Yukikaze. That way you get maximum DPS benefit and you also get your Higanbana buffed by both Jinpu and Slashing Resistance that WAR applied.