Summoner and the upcoming changes

[Vallhallix]

Not only from a gameplay perspective is spamming Ruin lame, but from a visual perspective, it's got all the oomph of tossing a pebble at our enemies.

Ruin IV isn't much more impactful, especially when you look at what other casters are churning out. And then they have the nerve to recycle the spell effect of Ahk Morn as being both Deathflare and Demi Bahamut's enkindle.

I do agree about Ahk morn, it should be different, at the very least a different color, but then again it makes sense lore-wise for it to be the same. If anyone listened to the story during the SMN questline, they are literally able to invoke the very abilities of the primals, when SMN uses deathflare, that is in essence drawing from Bahamuts power, it's not some sort of smn specific skill he is using Bahamuts power not a counterfeit version, so it makes sense that it would look the same.

[Len]

I do agree about Ahk morn, it should be different, at the very least a different color, but then again it makes sense lore-wise for it to be the same. If anyone listened to the story during the SMN questline, they are literally able to invoke the very abilities of the primals, when SMN uses deathflare, that is in essence drawing from Bahamuts power, it's not some sort of smn specific skill he is using Bahamuts power not a counterfeit version, so it makes sense that it would look the same.

..Now come up with an excuse as to why Demi-Bahamut's "Shockwave" is practically non-existant. He basically blows a snot bubble at the enemy and kicks up a little dust. Blink and you'll miss it.

THAT is the grand reward for something you'll only be able to bring out every two minutes?! It's garbage.

[Vallhallix]

..Now come up with an excuse as to why Demi-Bahamut's "Shockwave" is practically non-existant. He basically blows a snot bubble at the enemy and kicks up a little dust. Blink and you'll miss it.

THAT is the grand reward for something you'll only be able to bring out every two minutes?! It's garbage.

For one it's a shockwave. It's an ability that's spammed, do you really believe some massive constant super blast would be a good thing on top of the fact that SMNs will already have literally the biggest thing on the battlefield for a full 20s. Judging from the video with the miqote Bahamut was massive compared to her size. I'm sure, performance issues are a big part of every design choice they make.

On the subject of shockwave, is shockwave single target or does it actually effect multiple targets?

[Fyce]

..Now come up with an excuse as to why Demi-Bahamut's "Shockwave" is practically non-existant. He basically blows a snot bubble at the enemy and kicks up a little dust. Blink and you'll miss it.

THAT is the grand reward for something you'll only be able to bring out every two minutes?! It's garbage.

We get Bahamut out. Bahamut will probably be bigger than most bosses. Bahamut does two Akh Morn.
Seriously, I can guarantee that some people will miss AoE and stuff because Bahamut will take half their screen, and then will blame it on the SMN.

We don't need more visual stuff. We ARE the embodiment of a Sound and Light Show.

... Okay, maybe BLM is first, but we are close second.

[Silverquick]

We get Bahamut out. Bahamut will probably be bigger than most bosses. Bahamut does two Akh Morn.
Seriously, I can guarantee that some people will miss AoE and stuff because Bahamut will take half their screen, and then will blame it on the SMN.

We don't need more visual stuff. We ARE the embodiment of a Sound and Light Show.

... Okay, maybe BLM is first, but we are close second.

Honestly I think that is the way this will really play out

And I think the devs were the ones who decide on this direction... not the players who actually play it.

In the end they are going to end up wasting our time, and their time shoving this whole rework abortion. I don't think the people who actually played this job thought there was anything wrong with it the way it was, but I bet they will now.

[Fyce]

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You're so negative in every posts of yours.
I actually find the "BUT BAHAMUT WAS IN MY FIELD OF VIEW, SO I COULDN'T SEE THE GROUND AOE FFS!" a pretty hilarious situation.

But whatever people say you're already convinced that SMN is dead.
Whatever man, time to change your main or something.

[Vallhallix]

You're so negative in every posts of yours.
I actually find the "BUT BAHAMUT WAS IN MY FIELD OF VIEW, SO I COULDN'T SEE THE GROUND AOE FFS!" a pretty hilarious situation.

But whatever people say you're already convinced that SMN is dead.
Whatever man, time change your main or something.

SMN has literally died every patch it seems haha. Then a few weeks after a patch drops ''NERF SUMMONER'', ''HOW COME SMNS ARE DOING MORE DAMAGE THAN ME DID THEY NERF BLM''.

[Dyvid]

..Now come up with an excuse as to why Demi-Bahamut's "Shockwave" is practically non-existant. He basically blows a snot bubble at the enemy and kicks up a little dust. Blink and you'll miss it.

THAT is the grand reward for something you'll only be able to bring out every two minutes?! It's garbage.

Just to correct you, the snot bubble thing was Tri-Disaster not Shockwave