Summoner and the upcoming changes

[Vallhallix]

..Now come up with an excuse as to why Demi-Bahamut's "Shockwave" is practically non-existant. He basically blows a snot bubble at the enemy and kicks up a little dust. Blink and you'll miss it.

THAT is the grand reward for something you'll only be able to bring out every two minutes?! It's garbage.

For one it's a shockwave. It's an ability that's spammed, do you really believe some massive constant super blast would be a good thing on top of the fact that SMNs will already have literally the biggest thing on the battlefield for a full 20s. Judging from the video with the miqote Bahamut was massive compared to her size. I'm sure, performance issues are a big part of every design choice they make.

On the subject of shockwave, is shockwave single target or does it actually effect multiple targets?

[Fyce]

..Now come up with an excuse as to why Demi-Bahamut's "Shockwave" is practically non-existant. He basically blows a snot bubble at the enemy and kicks up a little dust. Blink and you'll miss it.

THAT is the grand reward for something you'll only be able to bring out every two minutes?! It's garbage.

We get Bahamut out. Bahamut will probably be bigger than most bosses. Bahamut does two Akh Morn.
Seriously, I can guarantee that some people will miss AoE and stuff because Bahamut will take half their screen, and then will blame it on the SMN.

We don't need more visual stuff. We ARE the embodiment of a Sound and Light Show.

... Okay, maybe BLM is first, but we are close second.

[Silverquick]

We get Bahamut out. Bahamut will probably be bigger than most bosses. Bahamut does two Akh Morn.
Seriously, I can guarantee that some people will miss AoE and stuff because Bahamut will take half their screen, and then will blame it on the SMN.

We don't need more visual stuff. We ARE the embodiment of a Sound and Light Show.

... Okay, maybe BLM is first, but we are close second.

Honestly I think that is the way this will really play out

And I think the devs were the ones who decide on this direction... not the players who actually play it.

In the end they are going to end up wasting our time, and their time shoving this whole rework abortion. I don't think the people who actually played this job thought there was anything wrong with it the way it was, but I bet they will now.

[Dyvid]

..Now come up with an excuse as to why Demi-Bahamut's "Shockwave" is practically non-existant. He basically blows a snot bubble at the enemy and kicks up a little dust. Blink and you'll miss it.

THAT is the grand reward for something you'll only be able to bring out every two minutes?! It's garbage.

Just to correct you, the snot bubble thing was Tri-Disaster not Shockwave

[TristanBlane]

Not only from a gameplay perspective is spamming Ruin lame, but from a visual perspective, it's got all the oomph of tossing a pebble at our enemies..

This ^ I hate how Ruin looks ,its so boring. To have to use that a majority of the time is underwhelming. Though they get a lot of nice burst AOE moves with Death Flare and Bahamut. I'd just like a flashier move besides Ruin. :P

[Anoranda]

BRING BACK SUSTAIN!
T______T
honestly though, group content aside - tanking stuff with Titan, while healing him with sustain in order to clear solo-content has been one of summoners redeeming points.
a one man tank,healer and DPS = NO MORE
what is the point of even keeping the titan pet if you can't heal it?

[Vallhallix]

Did the pets atleast get an increase in health or damage resistance, because yeah I can see how the pets dying would be a problem especially ifrit. He was dying repeatedly on mobs in ST when I didn't use sustain, and no healer is going to take priority from actual players.

[Anoranda]

Did the pets atleast get an increase in health or damage resistance, because yeah I can see how the pets dying would be a problem especially ifrit. He was dying repeatedly on mobs in ST when I didn't use sustain, and no healer is going to take priority from actual players.

Sadly not, at least as far as I know.
We will have to wait and see, since currently known details are still subjected to change.
All pet keeping classes in all respectable MMORPG games have a skill to keep their pets alive, is this where final fantasy really wants to be different?

If we raise enough awareness of this issue they may review it with the developers (like the WHM thread), but no one seems to care about such a major skill being erased like its nothing!

[LegoTechnic]

Did the pets atleast get an increase in health or damage resistance, because yeah I can see how the pets dying would be a problem especially ifrit. He was dying repeatedly on mobs in ST when I didn't use sustain, and no healer is going to take priority from actual players.

The problem with other people's pets is that they don't appear in healer party lists. We see our own pets, and we even see their chocobos when that's an issue, but we never see your Garuda on our list of HP meters.

[waifugenerator]

Weaving shockwave/aerial slash is a dps increase since they're oGCD. Now the question is will they trigger Ruin IV?