Samurai Discussion

[Remus]

Midare is going to be fun with a properly coordinating party. Kaiten is obvious with every midare. But imagine balance card, rdm's embolden(10%), and brd/mch phy vuln. And with things like meikyo shisui and guren you could easily do two kaiten midares and gurren under all that while only losing 2% from embolden on the last skill.

Oh don't worry I know all about the buffs. Imagine if you got enhanced balance(30%?), sch crit buff on mob(20%), Monk with Brotherhood(5% damage increase), RDM with embolden(10% physical damage) and finally Bard with the extra crit (3%) and vuln and if you are running the 3 melee comp DRG with Battle Litany(15%)/Dragon Sight (5% damage). Just thinking about it gets me excited. The damage that SAM will produce is insane.

[Tsilyi]

I like the idea of the Yaten, Enbi, Gyoten but you also can't look at it in a vacuum. it may be one total gcd, but consider that if you instead proceed with your next combo, you end up with at minimum 150(300)280 which is 730 over the course of the next 1-2 gcds, proceed toward another sen and your kenki goes +5-25+5 for a net of -15. and there will be at least 1 auto attack there. it doesn't feel like kenki will be particularly hard to come by. but we'll have to see!

[ShaolinMike]

I really imagine Yaten, Enbi, Gyoten being more situational for dodging AOEs and/or quickly covering distance between adds without losing damage. Then again, I'm a total theory craft noob.

[yillin]

Edited the main post with the link but adding it here too for extra visibility

Reddit user /u/lenoan created a pretty nice spreadsheet for creating rotations for samurai. Use it to play around and see if you can come up with the best solution. To use it just create a copy for yourself from the file menu I believe. All you have to do is pick a skill from the action column. The rest of the table fills itself in:

Samurai Rotation Spreadsheet

[Allyrion]

Edited the main post with the link but adding it here too for extra visibility

Reddit user /u/lenoan created a pretty nice spreadsheet for creating rotations for samurai. Use it to play around and see if you can come up with the best solution. To use it just create a copy for yourself from the file menu I believe. All you have to do is pick a skill from the action column. The rest of the table fills itself in:

Samurai Rotation Spreadsheet

This theorycrafter says Kaiten works on Higanbana's dot. I guess we'll see, but it's hard it doesn't or you would only use Midare Setsugekka once you can buff it with Kaiten.

Good to see the work so far on figuring out the rotation.

[Leonus]

Just going to leave this tidbit of information here. Please give credit to the author.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...about_samurai/

Also I doubt the 150% bonus ability works on the dot. Maybe on the upfront damage but not on the tick damage.

[yillin]

This theorycrafter says Kaiten works on Higanbana's dot. I guess we'll see, but it's hard it doesn't or you would only use Midare Setsugekka once you can buff it with Kaiten.

Good to see the work so far on figuring out the rotation.

Yeah, I don't think he really knows. He is just assuming. I mean, didn't we have verification from that youtuber that it doesn't. The spreadsheet lets you set kaiten working on dots to true or false so you can build rotations both ways.

[Yorumi]

Yeah, I don't think he really knows. He is just assuming. I mean, didn't we have verification from that youtuber that it doesn't. The spreadsheet lets you set kaiten working on dots to true or false so you can build rotations both ways.

Given the tooltip it makes sense to me that kaiten wouldn't affect the dot on higanbana. The skills that increase dot damage are skills that in some way increase damage in the calculation, they don't increase the potency of the dot per se, they increase the caster's damage or the damage taken by a target(like raging strikes, slashing debuff etc). Katien said increases the potency of the next weapon skill. Well higanbana's potency is 240, the dot is an additional effect, not the weapon skill. So much like crit skills and ammo don't increase dot potency I doubt kaiten will either.

[Allyrion]

Given the tooltip it makes sense to me that kaiten wouldn't affect the dot on higanbana. The skills that increase dot damage are skills that in some way increase damage in the calculation, they don't increase the potency of the dot per se, they increase the caster's damage or the damage taken by a target(like raging strikes, slashing debuff etc). Katien said increases the potency of the next weapon skill. Well higanbana's potency is 240, the dot is an additional effect, not the weapon skill. So much like crit skills and ammo don't increase dot potency I doubt kaiten will either.

That does make sense. I was actually thinking of something like Doton which is affect by Kassatsu, but that is pretty different especially since Higanbana has direct damage with the dot as additional.

I did just watch Veri Merry's video but i didn't hear any mention of this confirmation. He doesn't cover any such interaction as far as I can tell, unless it's in a different video.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGyWVo91HBE

[yillin]

That does make sense. I was actually thinking of something like Doton which is affect by Kassatsu, but that is pretty different especially since Higanbana has direct damage with the dot as additional.

I did just watch Veri Merry's video but i didn't hear any mention of this confirmation. He doesn't cover any such interaction as far as I can tell, unless it's in a different video.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGyWVo91HBE

Yeah, I didn't see or hear it either. I also looked through all the comments of that video and the question never came up.