Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[fantasticm]

An argument as old as this game "use all the tools in your toolbox" ... That is what you all wanted. Lazy WHM gameplay is now discouraged.

Reading this post I have to wonder if you even play White Mage?

[magnanimousCynic]

I've thought up some quick suggestions to make Lilies and Confessions not as horrible. I'm not asking for all of these changes at once but a few would help improve the situation while attempting to stick to Yoshi-P's "ideal" image of WHM.

My ideas in the order I think them up:

• Increase the proc rate of both Lilies and Confessions. Why do Cure I and II have the same proc rate? Cure II should either have a higher proc rate (50%) or make Free Cure give a guaranteed Lily. Cure I should get a higher proc rate anyway, at least 30%.

• Let Regen give a guaranteed Lily when it would normally run out, meaning Regen gives a Lily every 21 seconds, even if you overwrite it with a new Regen. This would only work for one Regen at a time so spamming Regen on the party wouldn't be OP.

• LET LILIES PROC OFF OF STONE III&IV. Nothing else to say. Probably lower than 20%, depending on how much free time we can devote to damage.

• Divine Benison should become stronger when it uses multiple Lilies, being 25% shielding at 3 Lilies.

• Another idea is that Divine Benison benefits twice as much from the Lilies Recast Reduction, making it have a 24 second recast with 3 Lilies consumed.

• WHY DO WE STILL HAVE REPOSE? I thought we were pruning barely used skills! The only time I ever use this skill is in Brayflox NM for the 2nd boss, and even then the boss doesn't do a lot of damage to make it needed. Repose staying is a slap in the face.

• Secrets of the Lily II needs a change. A good idea I heard was an action that makes the overheal from HoTs give some shielding based on the target's max HP.

• Confessions should either last longer or have an additional effect; perhaps a minor HoT or increased chance to proc a Lily.

• Let Assize, Medica I and II have a chance to proc Confession with the trade-off of lowering the potency of Plenary Indulgence and increasing Recast time slightly. Assize could also get an increased Confession proc rate when it consumes Lilies.

That's all that I can think of without needing to add new actions besides the Secrets of the Lily II change.

[TaleraRistain]

Adding my voice of displeasure. Not happy about the massive amount of skills we're outright losing and have to buy back. Those are free spots for the other healers, whereas they're necessary for us to get back to where we were. Not happy about a JOB ability going to cross-class. What are we going to get when completing that quest now? Why the hell would they take away Stoneskin, which was one of the few abilities that was left to make us unique? These changes make me wonder if any of the developers have even played the class.

[chariewu]

Add me to this also.
As a white mage Main.
I had to switch to AST for raid. Was hoping 4.0 would bring it back, unless things change I don't see how it could happen.

[Fernosaur]

I'm not even a WHM main, and I was particularly mean to some of the WHM mains in the forums these past days cause I thought there was a hint of logic behind the devs' decisions.

Well, I eat my words, you doomsaying WHMs were all completely right.

White Mage officially has the absolute WORST gameplay design I have ever seen in any videogame I've played. I'm actually so pissed about the lack of attention to healer balance and disconnect from the community's development of the meta that I'm dropping healing entirely. Specially after SCH's AoE got gutted to the ground.

Like, really? We have the most powercrept job in the game getting nothing but hilariously unnecessary buffs, while the other two jobs it's competing with get nothing but nerfs and shitty add-ons that add NOTHING? What were they even thinking when they put AST and WHM's toolkits against one another and went "yep. A JOB WELL DONE."

Jesus, it's disgusting.

[Skyrior]

DPS getting hit by aoe's is kinda rng too so idk what people are complaining about. This isn't going to prevent white mage from keeping a tank alive, or dps alive when they take unavoidable damage.

DPS getting hit by aoe's is kinda rng too

DPS getting hit by aoe's is kinda rng too

This is absolutely the silliest thing I've seen in a long while.

[Urthdigger]

I am retiring my WHM, effective immediately, and encouraging everyone I see to not even level it. It's nothing but a noob trap idiots waste their time leveling now.

[Airget]

Looking through it, I'd say Confession is the only gimmick that needs a bit of work, the means to reach said worth in using it just doesn't seem to be there for something that does so little. Aero to Aero II isn't bad, they kept it instant, so that's something. Hm, a Confession should be more about a sin, it's weird to have a Confession come from healing a target, it could be more like a Confession for harming a target with a DoT. Let Aero havea chance to build up Confessions and rather than make it 3 charges you make it 9 for full potency and something that is built up through WHM. Encourage them to be active by switching between DPS and healing so that they can obtain a strong Standby AOE cure when needed.

Heck even better why not have Confession be used up to add a Lily to WHM if they want that 2nd Lily to speed up the accessibility of a skill they plan on using.

I get it, much like BRD when they had casting with Wandere's Minuet, their control over using their skills in quick successions was limited to their 2 DoTs, which wasn't as engaging as MCH that at least had control with their bullets.

Heck maybe even take a page from WAR and give WHM abilities that give them confessions again, rather than tie everything to Cure and Cure II, it would make more sense for Confession to be gained through other means, they are bloating WHM's gimmick through 1 tunnel, having Confessions be based around their DPS skills and other abilities while keeping the main source of Lily's being the Cure/Cure II use would make the gameplay more engaging.

Heck by building it up like this you could have 2 Lily's + 9 Confession be used to gain even more powerful effects from certain abiltiies, WHM could focus more on how to manage these ability but most importantly, WHM needs a stance that ignores the use of Lilies and Confessions on abilities you don't want to burn your charges on.

Another thing that will hinder WHM is knowing their Lilies are spent if they use one of the abilities on the list, but it might not be the ability they want to have the lower recast on or care to have the lower recast on, if you give WHM the flexibility to hold and choose when to use it, it would offer them more freedom.

[Yallaid]

adding my voice (post) to the crowd -- please SE, tell me there is still time to change things! There are so so many things, little things and big things that you could do right now to fix WHM. what we've seen so far is absolutely unacceptable, i cannot believe that the 4.0 WHM will even work as intended if released in this state.

[RaizeGraymalkin]

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