Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

**Azper** · 06-01-2017 02:55 PM

I'm probably not adding anything that hasn't already been said, but I felt the need to make my voice heard to SE. As someone that has played WHM as a main since Phase 3 Beta and stuck by it through every nerf in hopes that one day they might get themselves together, the complete mishandling of it going into 4.0 has finally made me hang up my staff for the foreseeable future. I wanted to give it time and thoroughly read all of the skills, but as others have said, it's all right there in black and white, clear as crystal that they have no idea what they are doing.

They stripped it of everything that defined it to throw into the cross-role system, so that we have to waste all of our slots taking back what we had. The biggest disappointment there was seeing Divine Seal, a job action, taken away and neutered. Furthermore, why strip us of Shroud of Saints, one of the few abilities we had to (poorly) manage our MP pool and make us take it as a cross-role ability?

This awful Lilly/Confession system. These uncontrolled, laughably bad cool down reductions on existing skills are arguably useless. That 15% shield we got? Seriously? I won't go into extreme details, because I have nothing to say that hasn't already been said. It's just not good all around.

How did they drop the ball so badly? I would loved to have been in the room when they were discussing this and how they settled on these changes. For all that talk of not adding another healer until they balanced the current ones and this was their answer, I'm speechless.

This needs a lot of work, SE. I hope you're up to the task.

**AvenoMatt** · 06-01-2017 05:07 PM

I haven't read the whole thread so might repeat something someone else has already said.

For me WHM seems meh, I understand what they mean by a "pure healer" but couldn't they of made Divine Bension scale by how many lilies you have or made it so that the more lilies you had when used the effect turns into an aoe and grows. Scale example; 1 Lily 15% barrier, 2 35%, 3 55%. AOE expample; 1 single target 15% barrier, 2 8y aoe 15% of target's max hp, 3 16y aoe 20% of targets hp. Scaling would make stacking lilies more useful to place strong barriers on a party member and AOE expansion would do the same as the more lilies you have the more area you can cover. On the aoe variantt you would obviously it on the tank so the barriers would scale off their hp and I raised the potency to 20% so it would have more of an impact than just a wider range . It would also make more sense for it to have it's 60s recast if it worked like one of the above.

As for Plenary Indulgence why not add a buff to the Confessions stacks? I mean yes it's short recast does mean it can be used often but that doesn't make it better if all it does is heal so why not make Confessions raise the targets damage resistance by per stack, increased healing received per stack, or better damage dealt per stack. It could even of done a combination of the 3 to a lesser extent. It's has a 20% chance of even landing so give me something that makes spamming cure and cure II actually worth it.

**xbahax92** · 06-01-2017 05:29 PM

The only thing I dont understand, first they say they want to make things easier by visuals. So they give the lilies for the help, so you dont have to watch your buff bar and then that skill which produces "confession" stacks doesnt have any visuals. Runs for 30s unless it got freshened. Isnt that gonna make a WHM keep watching the buff list?

**Vhailor** · 06-01-2017 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by xbahax92

The only thing I dont understand, first they say they want to make things easier by visuals. So they give the lilies for the help, so you dont have to watch your buff bar and then that skill which produces "confession" stacks doesnt have any visuals. Runs for 30s unless it got freshened. Isnt that gonna make a WHM keep watching the buff list?

I don't think they had a great way of visualizing Confessions, given that those are stacked on individual PCs other than the WHM. So the tank might have three, one of the DD might have one, the other DD might not have any. Creating a pretty graphic for that isn't a trivial task.

That said, I agree with your sentiment. Confession should probably stack on the WHM rather than individual party members (which would buff the semi-weak Plenary Indulgence ability), and be tied into the Lily gauge somehow. I can't see any good reason for the current setup.

**eschaton** · 06-01-2017 05:56 PM

Complain about RNG in-game, because RNG sucks...

...and get more RNG next expansion on your main!?!

Wait, I see what you did there

One mistake though; sugar, we’re going down swinging, I’ll be your number one with a bullet.

**Urthdigger** · 06-01-2017 09:02 PM

They should just delete WHM at this point. It's clear now that it is nothing but a noob trap, something people level because it looks useful only for them to find out they spent all that time leveling and gearing for a job that does everything worse than its competitors.

There is NOTHING that WHM does that the other two jobs can't, while they have plenty of buffs they can do on their own.

Just delete WHM and allow for ACN to heal for the 1-30 wasteland where no real healers exist.

**Kethic** · 06-02-2017 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Urthdigger

Just delete WHM and allow for ACN to heal for the 1-30 wasteland where no real healers exist.

Permanent solutions to temporary problems.

On paper, WHM needs help. It's been my main since 2013, and I'm nervous right now. Hopefully we can get enough constructive feedback that SE will make some adjustments.

**Lunaxia** · 06-01-2017 09:36 PM

WHM lilies should be used to buff current actions and no more. As I said in a previous comment, RNG doesn't belong on WHM. Important healing abilities should not be gated based on our actions; no other healer has to deal with this, it's like they've taken WHM's "power-healing" identity and put handcuffs on us. A good WHM avoids unnecessary heals/ over-healing, and makes full use of their toolkit for optimum HP restoration while weaving in damage where appropriate. This is effectively forcing a rotation on us, making us lose freedom in how we heal (as well as affecting how often we can DPS) in order to spam Cure II to hopefully get the right proc for the right ability for the right mechanic. It's absurd.

And with the delightul Confession stacks you have to watch and juggle with overheals to make our 70 ability not useless trash, they've also managed to make the job more unnecessarily complex and irritating than it ever needed to be. All SB brings us is limitation after limitation.

**Waliel** · 06-02-2017 07:57 AM

Lilies:

Each lily increases the damage of everyone around you by 1%, up to a maximum of 3%.
In addition to the cooldown reductions. Also reduces the cooldown of any skill with recast of 60 or longer. Reduction lowered slightly to 5/10/15%.
Cure and Cure 2 have a 35% chance per cast (70% on crit) to grant a lily.
Cure 3 and the initial cast of Medica and Medica 2 have 15% chance per person healed for at least 15% of their maximum HP to grant a lily.
Meaning 60% chance when healing four people. Has a healing requirement to prevent fishing for procs.
Each tick of Regen has a 10% chance (20% on crit) and Medica 2 has a 5% chance to grant a lily.
Each tick would be individual chance, like Thundercloud. Medica 2 on eight people would be roughly 33% chance to gain a lily every tick.
You can only gain a lily once every 7 seconds.
Prevents you from immediately getting fully stacked.

Confessions:

Any direct healing has a 30% chance (100% on crit) to grant a stack and any heal over time effects have a 10% chance to grant a stack per tick.
Assize and Cure 3 refreshes the stacks to full duration for any person hit.
My first thought when I saw them was that they should never expire unless you go out of combat.
Each stack increases healing received from the WHM by 3%, up to a maximum of 9%.
Maybe? Lower amounts feel insignificant. 6% from all sources? Probably not needed at all.

Something like this maybe? Personally I'm not a fan of RNG while healing, but eh.

**fantasticm** · 06-02-2017 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Waliel

Something like this maybe? Personally I'm not a fan of RNG while healing, but eh.

I'm a fan.

Then again I'm of the belief that literally anything is better than what we have now. If the only use of Lilies was a single-target 50 potency damage spell that caused the target to shoot fireworks out of its sphincter, it would still be an improvement.

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