Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Yorumi]

Do we have any speculation on what that shiny buff was that she threw on the black mage? Or what that watery looking effect was? Seemed to be another buff, but looked like it was a self buff.

I've heard some speculation that it may be barriers(like sch and noct AST). Don't get me wrong I'm not writing off the class until we see the final build. It's entirely possible they have given whms something good. It just seems like they should have more clearly presented it. The AST video spent all this time throwing cards and other buff/debuff things around. You could miss that fact with AST, with whm it's like "Um maybe that one spell does something that could help...maybe".

We do not. Which is why this whole premise of nerfing and or buffing the whm at this point is premature. No one has seen the changes or played with the changes. They heard a buzz word/phrase and and viola.

No we're a group of intelligent people engaging in informed speculation regarding what we saw and the theories behind classes.

[Feidam]

No we're a group of intelligent people engaging in informed speculation regarding what we saw and the theories behind classes.

You can not have informed speculation based on the info we have seen. The speculation is actually based on what is currently in the game. All we have seen of the healers is the role list and some animations. Nothing more. You can conjecture what those skills are based on the animation but without any numbers/effects all you have is a visual graphic and a potential name. The theory of the whitemage i.e. pure healer is what has set this whole thing off with players thinking it means heals only since the developers have yet to expound on even that in regards to storm blood.

[Yorumi]

You can not have informed speculation based on the info we have seen. The speculation is actually based on what is currently in the game. All we have seen of the healers is the role list and some animations. Nothing more. You can conjecture what those skills are based on the animation but without any numbers/effects all you have is a visual graphic and a potential name. The theory of the whitemage i.e. pure healer is what has set this whole thing off with players thinking it means heals only since the developers have yet to expound on even that in regards to storm blood.

We can have informed speculation cause they showed buffs happening on AST why hide it from whm? If we literally had every fact it wouldn't be speculation but we're informed enough to know of the pure healer comment as well as nothing looking like the whm is doing a lot of buffing. Thus the speculation "if whm doesn't have utility and AST and SCH do then nothing is likely to change."


That said what possibly could pure healer mean in context of this game that isn't a mistranslation? If a whm heals and buffs then how is AST not a "pure healer"? If that's the case why single out whm? Does it mean they don't get a pet like sch? Well ok but no one expected that and it's about equal to saying whm won't be getting fire 4. Um yeah why even bother saying that? Maybe it means whm heals won't have additional effects...oh wait medica II and assize, so it's a nerf?

I can't think of a context where "pure healer" has any real meaning beyond "we're not giving utility to whm".

[Xylas]

We do not. Which is why this whole premise of nerfing and or buffing the whm at this point is premature. No one has seen the changes or played with the changes. They heard a buzz word/phrase and and viola.

I've heard some speculation that it may be barriers(like sch and noct AST). Don't get me wrong I'm not writing off the class until we see the final build.

I don't know about the blue one (maybe a self buff to enhance spell power of some kind), but the white/rainbow one seems like it'll be a haste or something that boosts damage IMO. Why else put it on a black mage? Unless he was only there to showcase the pull and leylines teleport.

[Feidam]

We just don't know. That could all kinds of things like a reactive ward, or defensive boost, or a reactive heal or a new regen. The pull was actually the whm demonstrating a role skill.

[Yorumi]

I don't know about the blue one (maybe a self buff to enhance spell power of some kind), but the white/rainbow one seems like it'll be a haste or something that boosts damage IMO. Why else put it on a black mage? Unless he was only there to showcase the pull and leylines teleport.

I don't know that we can read too much into the classes of the targets. Remember they wern't doing anything close to proper rotations so it's unknown just how much we were supposed to get from all that. That said I doubt it's haste. I would just expect a more traditional clock effect for haste. All the effects that look like they could be buffs though produce a notable bubble on the target which is generally more associated with barriers. We'll see when it comes out but what stands out to me about it is the bubble effects, ie barriers, nothing is really screaming damage buff to me.

[Feidam]

I don't know that we can read too much into the classes of the targets. Remember they wern't doing anything close to proper rotations so it's unknown just how much we were supposed to get from all that. That said I doubt it's haste. I would just expect a more traditional clock effect for haste. All the effects that look like they could be buffs though produce a notable bubble on the target which is generally more associated with barriers. We'll see when it comes out but what stands out to me about it is the bubble effects, ie barriers, nothing is really screaming damage buff to me.

In the benchmench there was a buff like skill shown that looked like it proc'd when the pally was attacked. Had a holy-ish efftect. i could be whm have a damage shield that reflects lashes out and damages the attacker I suppose. Granted that is pure conjecture.

[Yorumi]

In the benchmench there was a buff like skill shown that looked like it proc'd when the pally was attacked. Had a holy-ish efftect. i could be whm have a damage shield that reflects lashes out and damages the attacker I suppose. Granted that is pure conjecture.

The proc look was part of a pld ability. In fact I think the whole thing is the pld ability it's just the holy effect was more obscured from the angle in the live letter. If you slow down the video for pld you can see an opaque white cloud appear but you get a hint that behind it is a holy looking effect.

[RopeDrink]

I turn away for a few weeks, come back after seeing that video and all I see is buckets of salt. Me? I'll be waiting until I can actually play/see the changes for myself. Cleric disappearing doesn't mean I can't still be my aggressive DPS self - the rest is something I'll experiment with rather than judge in advance when I can't physically see the in-depth details. Mostly referring to all the threads (RIP this, Purehealer that). Wait and see, then apply salt when it has been put into practice. Feedback beforehand will be too premature and won't be entertained until the class(es) have been put through the wringer when the masses have access.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I can't think of a context where "pure healer" has any real meaning beyond "we're not giving utility to whm".

Seriously this. Yes, we don't know much about what WHM is getting, but from what we've seen along with what Yoshi said, we can assume we're getting little to no utility, and a lot of the same stuff. New ways to heal, some barriers that I hope to god are better than what a SCH can do with a critical because if it's goi to take up 3 lilies >_> I'm almost certain it's going to be something like a 10% barrier though. 15% if we're lucky. And people will say that's balanced because we have big heals, even though it'll prove to be as horribly underwhelming as Stoneskin...