cross roll system and issues on some jobs

[Tharne]

Systems like this you need to be truly picking abilities that are optional, protect, esuna, Invigorate, provoke, for starters are BASELINE and a NEED. If Invigorate is going to be MORE of a need for some then others, then that is a class balance issue ( needing too much tp to aoe for example)

Then if you think that you need them, just pick them, that's the point of the system. The system is not : "Hey I can have those 5 situational skills, but I don't want to take any so I'm gonna play with 5 less skills.", those skills are not suppose to be optional but situational, it's two different things, you should always use the maximum amount of them available to you based on your level but you should adapt them based on your need in the current content. If a healer knows that he won't need Esuna during an entire dungeon why should he have a useless skill ? Same for a Tank doing solo content and Provoke ? Those are not a need in all situation.

[Hamada]

Then if you think that you need them, just pick them, that's the point of the system. The system is not : "Hey I can have those 5 situational skills, but I don't want to take any so I'm gonna play with 5 less skills.", those skills are not suppose to be optional but situational, it's two different things, you should always use the maximum amount of them available to you based on your level but you should adapt them based on your need in the current content. If a healer knows that he won't need Esuna during an entire dungeon why should he have a useless skill ? Same for a Tank doing solo content and Provoke ? Those are not a need in all situation.

I do not understand, people supporting in a flawed system. If the final system is no one having provoke/esuna/protect as baseline and everyone has to continuously change these abilities out, you have a worse system then now. provoke/esuna/protect are NOT situational and SHOULD NOT be put on a list of pick 5. they are baseline abilities in every flippin FF game ill FXIV 4.0 apparently.

[Tharne]

I do not understand, people supporting in a flawed system. If the final system is no one having provoke/esuna/protect as baseline and everyone has to continuously change these abilities out, you have a worse system then now.

You consider it a flawed system, I don't since I prefer having the choice to use a skill useful in the content I am in and then switch it for another when I go do something else.

[Fawkes]

There's no benefit in this new system for bringing esuna when there's nothing to cleanse, so all the system does is give you the chance to make a mistake.

[Tharne]

provoke/esuna/protect are NOT situational and SHOULD NOT be put on a list of pick 5. they are baseline abilities in every flippin FF game ill FXIV 4.0 apparently.

Who has provoke/esuna/protect or something similar being baseline in FFVII / VIII or XII for exemple ? Materia, Draw and Licence are optionals, if you don't want to play with Esuna you have that choice.

And sorry but yes, Provoke is situational and Esuna is also situational. Protect is not except when you have two healers as this will free a skill for the one that didn't picked it which is good.

[Neophyte]

provoke/esuna/protect are NOT situational and SHOULD NOT be put on a list of pick 5. they are baseline abilities in every flippin FF game ill FXIV 4.0 apparently.

And in quite every FF they're either optional taken and replaced again if you want to or the whole character who has it itself get's swapped out (which makes them again optional).

FF14 now is basically the only Final Fantasy were you have access to protect and Esuna all the time without switching something out, because right now you never, ever have a better alternative than just to have protect selected. Never, ever, every group has 2 protect-casters now for 100% the time.
In SB there will be occassion were there will be good alternatives in certain situations.

So, if anything, this change makes FF14 more fibal fantasy'ish.

The most important thing is if they alzered protect anyway. If they changed it to a x seconds def+ buff for the group then this discussion is stupid anyway. And we don't know if they have.
This only 30 min buff is awkward anyway.

[ErryK]

I do not understand, people supporting in a flawed system. If the final system is no one having provoke/esuna/protect as baseline and everyone has to continuously change these abilities out, you have a worse system then now. provoke/esuna/protect are NOT situational and SHOULD NOT be put on a list of pick 5. they are baseline abilities in every flippin FF game ill FXIV 4.0 apparently.

If they're not optional, use Provoke on all your tanks, and Esuna+Protect on all your healers. Quit whining if you're saying they're not optional when you have the ability to use them anyways.

[Hamada]

I see you in a month when there is 10+ threads of complaints on this system if they do not change anything. They did say may not be the final product though, hope that ends up being true.

[Khemorex]

I see you in a month when there is 10+ threads of complaints on this system if they do not change anything. They did say may not be the final product though, hope that ends up being true.

lol people complain about anything these days , yesterday ive helped out a group in halatali hard, coz the tank kicked out a newbie for being to slow , then apparently the tank left to so....

and u complain about cross class skills? common....