Are role actions a nerf?

[Ama_Hamada]

They are supposedly removing that penalty..

Where is proof of this? To me people are just saying that to make sense of the nonsense of making the role actions like they are. That also basically means you can always use all of them, just leave your menu up, leaving more hudd bloat????

They did say it is not the final version and I hope these threads are letting them think some things over. They should just make baseline abilities baseline, all this is achieving is illusion of choice.

[Aramina]

Where is proof of this? To me people are just saying that to make sense of the nonsense of making the role actions like they are. That also basically means you can always use all of them, just leave your menu up, leaving more hudd bloat????

They did say it is not the final version and I hope these threads are letting them think some things over. They should just make baseline abilities baseline, all this is achieving is illusion of choice.

No, illusion of choice is what we have now, ie more skills/slots available than we would ever *really* use (on some classes at least).

actually I believe if the devs came out and said u no longer have to level a job to get cross class skills and kept the sytem in tack and made the good changes like wm , and cleric then there wouldnt be a single complaint thread. But instead they stripped jobs of their abilities and called it something good for the game not really. In a video I was watchin pretty much what good is a ninja now every dps can pretty much do what they do now. Giving goad to all dps jobs is total trash, if they think that this is gona balance things out for any job to go into raid they are clear mistaken skills that made some jobs unique are just thrown into a pool now

Hit cap so editing a previous reply:

If they took things and gave you nothing in return then you may have a point, but that's not what is happening. In addition to the problems with levelling "off classes" for skills is the problem of button bloat. Would you rather have what you have now in perpetuity with no chance of anything new or would you rather give up something to gain something new/more interesting/potentially better? I know what I would pick and it is most definitely *not* stagnancy

[bswpayton]

No, illusion of choice is what we have now, ie more skills/slots available than we would ever *really* use (on some classes at least).

actually I believe if the devs came out and said u no longer have to level a job to get cross class skills and kept the sytem in tack and made the good changes like wm , and cleric then there wouldnt be a single complaint thread. But instead they stripped jobs of their abilities and called it something good for the game not really. In a video I was watchin pretty much what good is a ninja now every dps can pretty much do what they do now. Giving goad to all dps jobs is total trash, if they think that this is gona balance things out for any job to go into raid they are clear mistaken skills that made some jobs unique are just thrown into a pool now

[Ama_Hamada]

No, illusion of choice is what we have now, ie more skills/slots available than we would ever *really* use (on some classes at least).

OHHHHHHHHHHHH trust me I am FULLY aware it is that now, (Never suggested it wasn't) but right now as is, with these changes, this system is not changing that (if this is the final version) Also I agree with the last bit ya said as well, blm and smn is just.. lulwut, hey hawk's eye was a limited use for low hp attunement healers... so there is that..I.. guess?

[Pells]

No, illusion of choice is what we have now, ie more skills/slots available than we would ever *really* use (on some classes at least).

Switching role skills freely in dungeon without penalty isn't a choice either. It's just a more complicated cooldown rotation where you should be using all of the skills but have to actively switch them in and out.

[joannaluttrell]

Switching role skills freely in dungeon without penalty isn't a choice either. It's just a more complicated cooldown rotation where you should be using all of the skills but have to actively switch them in and out.

I have a choice of which abilities I use in a given fight rather than having all of them because 5/10 of them are completely useless.

[Pells]

I have a choice of which abilities I use in a given fight rather than having all of them because 5/10 of them are completely useless.

And again. If 5/10 of the choices are completely useless, it's not really a choice.

[Aramina]

And again. If 5/10 of the choices are completely useless, it's not really a choice.

If 5/10 were USELESS then you would have a point, but they aren't so..... Disregarding the Protect/Esuna arguement there are still multiple things to choose from.

[TarynH]

Where is proof of this?

The proof of this is watching the recent live letter. Where Yoshida switched jobs constantly in the field and had no cooldown penalties. We can assume that switching role actions in the field will be exactly the same?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The proof of this is watching the recent live letter. Where Yoshida switched jobs constantly in the field and had no cooldown penalties. We can assume that switching role actions in the field will be exactly the same?

Its possible that was just dev perks.