Divine seal as role additional skill.

[Greven]

We don't know how they balanced everything out, it's no use to whine now

[HopeEstheim]

Because a barrier was the least of a whm's problems(and thanks to divine seal sch/ast barriers just got even bigger). On top of that the potencies of whm heals don't much matter. They could make the recast of bene the gcd and people would still prefer sch and ast because they have party buffs. The reason whm isn't picked for a slot has nothing to do with it's damage, it's mp management, or it's ability to put up barriers, it entirely relates to it's lack of ability to buff party damage.

Who said that we get a copy/pasted Divine Seal for the three healers? It could be 20% and they remove the % of healing buff from Synastry/Dissipation, while WHM keep another way to boost it's healing potency. Again it's just speculation and we don't even have the true numbers to compare. Did we had the tooltip of the spell that have the same icon as Divine Seal to begin with?
And how do SCH buff party damage without Selene? You take a SCH because they have strong barrier, strong DPS, really good MP management, and strong and consistant healing...

[Yorumi]

Who said that we get a copy/pasted Divine Seal for the three healers? It could be 20% and they remove the % of healing buff from Synastry/Dissipation, while WHM keep another way to boost it's healing potency.

It doesn't really matter. If whm's healing power was enough it would have party spots now. That's the point I was making.

[Fernosaur]

Just that it looks like all classes are loosing Stoneskin, and Aero will be merged into Aero II, meaning that WHM looses out big times here as well. Aero might be borderline useless, but it was always nice to apply on the go, e.g. while avoiding AoE. Yes, you do lose some skills, too, but by far not as much as WHM, sorry.

Aero was already almost useless for WHM because of less potency than Stone, only useable because of MP management and some calculations based around high Spellspeed. You only used it on the move or when Fluid Aura or Assize were ready.

WHM is getting Stone IV now, which will probably be around either 250 to 300 potency. Aero II becoming instant isn't a loss, you're gaining an instant DoT that wasn't before.

Also, the removal of Accuracy of course benefits all of us, but WHM even more so because of the initial potency DoTs.

The removal of Stoneskin (which isn't confirmed yet, btw), is probably because they didn't want to keep having HP% based shields, since they would only get better and better with time. Right now, Stoneskin is a better shield on a WAR than Adloquium, and we can only be sure that HP values are probably gonna go through the roof by the end of Stormblood. WHM is gaining a new shield anyways, and who's not to say this shield will be the replacement skill for Stoneskin?

As I said before, everyone is crying wolf way too early. Give it time to at least see the patch notes and then we can all cry wolf together.

[Reiryuu]

As I said before, everyone is crying wolf way too early. Give it time to at least see the patch notes and then we can all cry wolf together.

By the time the patch notes come out it will be too late. It's best to yell and scream at them now while things are still being worked out. Will it change anything? Probably not, but you need to voice a complaint for people to know it exists. Complacency gets you nothing.

[Fernosaur]

I am so sad reading all those "bad news" about SCH.
How much I loved this class and even tho it was sure they would nerf us, this just hit me like a train, because I came to similar conclusions like you.

RIP Stormblood hype.

I'm in the same boat as you are, tbh, but I'm still holding out some hope and expectation, particularly cause we don't know what the new abilities are or if the fairy tether channeling even is her actual healing. On the one side, it looks to me like it's the most likely scenario, on the other, it's a more complex micromanagement system than what we have right now, which goes directly against what they're doing to simplify the other jobs, so I'm not 100% betting on any of this.

If the Fairy gauge DOES limit her constant healing, well....

I'm not particularly excited for SCH to get nerfed so much, mostly because I think the job is perfectly designed right now. I could live with it if Fairy skills consume the little Fairy gauge, but that would just make Embrace healbotting almost impossible to sustain properly, so SCH is gonna lose a lot of HPS if this is the case, allowing for much less personal DPS. This would end up in a similar scenario as NoctAST, in which it's better if the regens healer is the one doing more DPS and the SCH ends up having more healing responsibilities. If offensive potencies are still the lowest out of the three healers, it might be likely that SCH will be benched for this expansion in favor of WHM+AST, but as I've been telling the WHM doomsayers, it's still way too early to make any judgments, so let's not spread this speculation much farther.

By the time the patch notes come out it will be too late. It's best to yell and scream at them now while things are still being worked out. Will it change anything? Probably not, but you need to voice a complaint for people to know it exists. Complacency gets you nothing.

And complaining over something that we still have absolutely zero specifics about gets you anything? Even if we had the info, complaining will get you nothing before patch day anyways. It took PLDs an entire expansion to be reworked for better defensive capabilities and better DPS even after they were completely benched for Gordias.

[Semirhage]

The removal of Stoneskin (which isn't confirmed yet, btw), is probably because they didn't want to keep having HP% based shields, since they would only get better and better with time.

This is nonsense, as we discovered with Heavensward. HP pools increase, but so do healing potencies. It's not like everyone's health is spiking up by 500% while heals go up 10%. Should we drop Adlo's potency, because with higher mind values it'll just get better and better with time?

[Fernosaur]

This is nonsense, as we discovered with Heavensward. HP pools increase, but so do healing potencies. It's not like everyone's health is spiking up by 500% while heals go up 10%. Should we drop Adlo's potency, because with higher mind values it'll just get better and better with time?

Of course everything gets better with time, it's just that Stoneskin can become a more powerful shield than the shields from the shield-specific classes once we reached the tipping point of the Item Level powercreep. That said, I'm just repeating what the devs allegedly said about %-based buffs.

Regardless, it's likely that WHM is getting a different kind of shield to make up for the loss of Stoneskin, so I'm not too concerned about that. AST might suffer from this, however, if Diurnal sect has no form of mitigation other than Collective Unconscious.

Also, of note, is that they seem to be getting rid of a lot of healer-centric mitigation. Taking Virus/Disable away from healers and giving Addle and Apocatastasis to all Casters, plus a 20% physical reduction shield to ranged physical DPS makes me think they want to spread the role of mitigation across all roles, which in itself isn't a bad thing. The fact that healers could handle all the mitigation in the content made it so other classes having extra mitigation was pointless.

[TaleraRistain]

Setting aside how we compare to other healers, here is my issue if Divine Seal is going cross-class. It's a JOB skill. We get it from a JOB quest. Job skills should not in any way, shape, or form be cross-class.

[RukiaFae]

By the time the patch notes come out it will be too late. It's best to yell and scream at them now while things are still being worked out. Will it change anything? Probably not, but you need to voice a complaint for people to know it exists. Complacency gets you nothing.

But complain about what when you don't know the whole picture. How can they make changes if we don't even know what to change? Once we actually have the game and see the numbers then we can complain if WHM still sucks. Right now there is no point to complain when you don't have enough information to make a valid argument.